Hello Is this a pre war or post war shako? Thanks Kirby
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I have searched around and haven't found this insignia. -
Berlin company and Berlin markings.Comment
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It's a postwar shako recognized by the VUPA label. I'm still looking to identify the metal plate...Interested in the Gendarmerie - Schutzpolizei - Gemeinden - Feuerschutzpolizei - Wasserschutzpolizei - Etc. Looking For Anything Polizei Related!Comment
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I'm having a Senior Moment here............ Brandenburg ?Comment
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Correcting this post, I found the shako star in Radecke's Vol 2 of his series on Polizei-Abzeichen.
He remarks that the officer star bears the emblem of a Griffen head, that was the City Arms of Stettin. He reasoned that possibly this star was used by the Sicherheitspolizei Stettin from 1919-1921.
Dave, are we sure this is a post-war shako? I guess we are as I found the remark in Radecke that Becker changed to Friedrich in post war times suppying to the Berlin Bereitschaftspolizei. Then it is a post-war officer's shako with a pre-war star attached. Someone humped it? I don't think this star is post war.Last edited by JoeW; 06-05-2010, 11:27 AM.Comment
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The star is a Weimar style Stettin (original IMO), the Tschako a postwar VUPA with later added cloth and repro chin-scales, the Prussian plume a repoductionas well. Sorry, this "thing" is not what it wanted to be.Originally posted by JoeW View Post
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Gerd, I suppose the question that has bothered collectors is what is Stettin doing with their own shako star. It should properly be a Prussian star. The city was part of Prussia and accounted for in the property code charts. Perhaps Radecke's suggestion that it was Sicherheitspolizei indicated that Stettin had their own force before being joined with Prussia?Comment
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ARRGGHHHH.............. I KNEW I had seen that Eagle Before !!!!!!! It's the state crest from Szcezin, Poland !!!!! I have several patches from the police there with this design on them. I Knew I was having a senior moment.
Thanks Joe !!
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You remember one photo in Radeckes Buch which shows an Berlin officer 1919/1920? We can clearly see a Tschako star with a bear on it! Sadly, there´s no evidence that the Stettin ones were ever attached on a Tschako or Pickelhaube.Originally posted by JoeW View PostComment
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Hello Thanks for the info on the shako. I got it as part of a trade so I don't have much invested. I was going to keep, it is very good looking. Now I may part it out. KirbyComment
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Here are photos of the front and reverse of my "Stettin" star. You can see that the attachment posts are actually loops. Does this match yours Kirby? Notice also how the loops are attached higher up on the star than those on Prussian stars.Comment
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Hello I will check it and post other photos tonight. kirbyComment
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Hello The loop are at the same point at on your but it looks like the loops were snipped off to make prongs. KirbyComment
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The loop style is more of the imperial period or close thereafter. Perhaps that is what brought Radecke's thoughts about the SIPO in Stettin.
Gerd, do you think the cloth and scales are not original? Weren't there officer shakos in the post war period? Radecke shows some in his book on shakos. I would think that would be a lot of difficult work just to fit the cloth on the shako body.
The cockade is a novel production. Kirby, can you give us a close-up of the front and back so we can see the production characteristics? Thanks.Comment
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