Was There a Verkehrspolizei Winter Visor?

[stonemint]

The first time I ever saw/heard of a winter traffic police visor was in the Police book. Was this authorized by regs, and has anyone seen any other examples?:

[Dave C.]

To me, that appears to be another error in that chapter, just like the inclusion of Gendarmerie white–topped visor on the previous page. That visor looks like GemPo. In addition, the paragraph on the top of page 299 contradicts this so-called winter cap with “the standard pattern green visor cap with white metal police national emblem was used at other times”. To my understanding is that is that traffic police are regular Schupo performing traffic duties where they utilize the white tunic, visor, white greatcoat and a tschako but revert back to regular uniforms when not performing these duties.

[stonemint]

To me, that appears to be another error in that chapter, just like the inclusion of Gendarmerie white–topped visor on the previous page. That visor looks like GemPo. In addition, the paragraph on the top of page 299 contradicts this so-called winter cap with “the standard pattern green visor cap with white metal police national emblem was used at other times”. To my understanding is that is that traffic police are regular Schupo performing traffic duties where they utilize the white tunic, visor, white greatcoat and a tschako but revert back to regular uniforms when not performing these duties.

Thanks, Dave, you confirmed my suspicions.

[stonemint]

While strolling the net to find info to my own question (prior to Dave's gracious answer), came upon this pic of postwar Verkehrspolizei wearing white-tops. If these hats continued to be worn after the war with replaced insignia, it may help explain their almost non-existence in the collector market today (aside from the obvious fact that there weren't that many of them to begin with).

[BenVK]

I've just found this cap which has bright red piping and not wine red of the GemPO. It seems to be marked F36.P. Ffm. Does that help identify it? I think Ffm stands for Frankfurt am Main does it not?

This would be a rare cap, correct?

[BenVK]

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[Gerd W.]

Your interpretion of the markings is not correct!

The stamp says:

FSchP Ffm = Feuerschutzpolizei Frankfurt a.M.


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[Dave C.]

I agree with Gerd on the markings. FSP is still a tough cap to find.

[W.Unland]

Besides the stamps the black cap band was ONLY used by the FSP in the pre war years, proving this to be a FSP visor. Carmine, carmine red, and carmine pink are pretty hard to tell apart after 70 years of oxidation and color shift.

W.Unland

[BenVK]

Many thanks guys. Worth buying for $400 or not?

[BenVK]

I think I'll pass as this one is in much nicer condition for not much more money.

http://www.jessensrelics.com/GHG/GHG-054.html

[stonemint]

Ben, the second one you posted is a killer example, at what I would consider a bargain price given the rarity of these hats.....

[BenVK]

Go for it mate, I spent too much this last week!

[MarcoPennisi]

Besides the stamps the black cap band was ONLY used by the FSP in the pre war years, proving this to be a FSP visor. Carmine, carmine red, and carmine pink are pretty hard to tell apart after 70 years of oxidation and color shift.

W.Unland

Sure the black facing color was for Feuerschutzpolizei o n l y , but it was used in the first three war years as well, for it was changed to dark-brown on September 3rd, 1942.
MP

[W.Unland]

Sure the black facing color was for Feuerschutzpolizei o n l y , but it was used in the first three war years as well, for it was changed to dark-brown on September 3rd, 1942.
MP

Thanks for the education. My point was color showing use, my off handed "pre-war" years was a generalization. Sorry I will endeavor to be more careful.

W.Unland