Police Sport Shirt Eagle ?

[juoneen]

[W.Unland]

Hello,

Please advise how the determination of it being a "good one" was established. As I have no objective criteria upon which to make an evaluation of these small eagles other than the Deuster reference, I would very much like to know how authenticity of this pattern was determined.

Thank you,
William Unland

[JoeW]

Bill, I was not paying close attention to your post after I posted pictures of my loose eagle. My loose eagle is not a small one. If is full size like yours that you posted immediately after. I do not have a small example of the later style police eagle. You mention Deuster cites a 1937 order for the apparent small eagle? Does he give a specific date? Otherwise I would not care for the small ones.

I would like to see a photo of one applied to the left breast of a warm up suit. I must look at the orders again. There is also a police magazine photo around of a large eagle in contrasting colors: white on a dark sport shirt. In the sporting contest photos I have there is one shirt with the large stubby neck police eagle, but I am having difficulty scanning it.

The one sport shirt I have has a large eagle sewn on. The cloth is thin enough that the pattern of the reverse can be seen from the rear and it is similar to the tight woven pattern of yours and mine.

[W.Unland]

Joe,

Here is the citation Deuster gives:

he shows no photo, only a line drawing with the small eagle.....HIS interpretation of the order I'm afraid, nothing more.

Bill

[JoeW]

Bill, I will check out that reference. Thanks.

But I think you misread his description. He cites two sizes of green sport eagles, but says they were sewn to the middle of the chest of the sport shirt. The Trainingbluse was not part of the sports kit. It was used during training purposes I suppose, and the eagles (green or grey embroidered on green or black material) and applied to the left breast of the shirt. I don't find a citation for that one.

[Ernst-H]

Joe,

Here is the citation Deuster gives:

he shows no photo, only a line drawing with the small eagle.....HIS interpretation of the order I'm afraid, nothing more.

Bill

The order from 1937 which is referenced by Deuster only mentiones that a new eagle is introduced for use on the sportshirt "Abzeichen am Übungshemd".
It is "Dunkelgrun" and was allowed to be made from "Kunstseide"

The scan from Deusters book shows that the paragraph in which he mentions the use of an eagle on the "Trainingsbluse" has no reference to a period source.

I have never seen a picture of a trainingsbluse with eagle. Only without.

[JoeW]

Okay, I visited the citation Deuster provided. There is no mention of size or location of the sport shirt insignia. It is a single paragraph in a general order dealing with changes in the uniform orders of 1936. Only two salient facts are mentioned: the color of the insignia changes from light green to dark green;and the sport insignia could also be fashioned of articificial silk, instead of cotton. That is all.

I noticed in the 1936 clothing regulations that a green Traininganzug was used in the Winter time for athletic garb. I suppose that accounts for the mention of eagles green or grey embroidered as above. Some type of sweat suit?

The Feuerwehr also could use the sports insignia, as well as the Kripo. Did you read that G-Man? Now you need a sport shirt insignia.

The only mention of size that I have seen is from discussion of the sport shirt insignia in a 1935 issue of Die Deutsche Polizeibeamte.

[james m]

Here's one of three I got directly for a vet years ago. These were unissued and looted out of stores.
The shirts are marked "Koch - Taurc 1942" in ink along the lower seam but the mark has faded and I may be misspelling it.
The is no size marking on the shirts but I would estimate they are large to extra large.
Jim

[Dave C.]

Good to see this thread has continued and further input made about Deuster's book inclusion. Although nothing to do with the small eagle, below is the link to the thread with the lighter colored eagle on dark shirt that was mentioned.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=sports+shirt

[SiPo]

The Feuerwehr also could use the sports insignia, as well as the Kripo. Did you read that G-Man? Now you need a sport shirt insignia.

Oh no....with all these extra bits I have to get, the wife is gonna kill me for sure!!

There is a pic for sale on ebay as we speak which shows both size eagles in wear. http://cgi.ebay.de/Polizei-Gendarmer...item45f205ac93

[Librarius13]

Okay, I visited the citation Deuster provided. There is no mention of size or location of the sport shirt insignia. It is a single paragraph in a general order dealing with changes in the uniform orders of 1936. Only two salient facts are mentioned: the color of the insignia changes from light green to dark green;and the sport insignia could also be fashioned of articificial silk, instead of cotton. That is all.

I noticed in the 1936 clothing regulations that a green Traininganzug was used in the Winter time for athletic garb. I suppose that accounts for the mention of eagles green or grey embroidered as above. Some type of sweat suit?

The Feuerwehr also could use the sports insignia, as well as the Kripo. Did you read that G-Man? Now you need a sport shirt insignia.

The only mention of size that I have seen is from discussion of the sport shirt insignia in a 1935 issue of Die Deutsche Polizeibeamte.

Hello!!!
Do you have the text of this regulation, to which Deyster refers? I can not find it on the Internet. Is it here? - Ministerialblatt des Reichs- und Preußischen Ministeriums des Innern 1937 S. 1685.
"the sport insignia could also be fashioned of articificial silk, instead of cotton" - artificial silk of that period gives a glow under ultraviolet?

Regads, Lib13.

[jackde]

Authentic or reproduction?

[jackde]

How can you tell if the small size is real or not from looking at the reverse?