Fake Luftschutz? - bought on estand

[Berra]

The comunication with this seller didnt exactly go smothly so I will
not talk to this man ever again! Even if that means losing the 40€ plus a ribbon.

Intresting information on the ring by the way, god to know that I am not totaly off topic.

[Robin Lumsden]

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1. It bends easily
2. When drawn aginst your teeth you feel directly that its a very soft metall.
(dont need to bite on it, kind of hard to explain)
3. You can easily cuts pices of it with a knife.
4. The weight.
5. there was a scratch on the surface when arrived and there is a very shiny metal under the dark surface.
6 IT MELTS!

Definitely a fake, then.
Just goes to show how deceptive photos can be.
Bad can look good, and good can look bad.

[Berra]

Yes pictures can be very deceptive inded.

I still am very curios about some more data about orginal "heavy" zinc version of this medal, it would be apriciated if anyone would like to post some weight and mesurements of some orignals.

I understand that nobody wants to engadge in anything between me and the seller BUT I find it very disturbing that the seller sells this as a real one its in my own opinion impossible NOT notice that this is made of lead just based on the weight! When aske REDVIPER said not to know if it was a aliminium och zinc pice (this was before me buying).

Heres the further pictures of this "investigation"

[Berra]

more photos

[Berra]

more 2

[Berra]

last one

[Berra]

almost forgot the nice rubboff that one gets when handeling this medal!

[REDVIPER]

tell the story correctly and do not lies , I tell you that you can send me back the medal and after I received it you got your money back . But than you tell me that you have fear to got your money back and don´t want send back
All people the make buisness with me know that i allways was a fair dealer and know one have problems all times that i sale here on Estand .
Yet I got a message from paypal that you have canceld the full price from the complete deal 148€ this is a clear amounted to !!!! That was all what you want my complete medals and the money !!! I hope that can not accepted from the guidance crew here on Wehrmacht awards , I hope Sheba , dietrich or any other moderator can tell him that !!!!

[Berra]

All I want is the motherCross ribbon that you didn not send me and that you still owe me.

The complaint on paypal was about this ribbon, stand up and dont talk trash!

I quoted your own word! Its true that you later changed your mind after pointing out the rules.

/B

[Berra]

REDVIPER you should start reading the emails and information you recives from
lets say paypal and if you dont understand the information please let someone that do explain them to you.
Dont start threatening people and call them liers without trying to understand what is realy happening.

[REDVIPER]

Berra better is you shout your mouth than I send two short ribbon for the two mothercross and if you tell me that was wrong ..than you lies !!!!

But is no problem I send you after you give me your adress again a new ribbon by registered air mail of my coast , is better that you not can tell me you don´t got it !!!!!

[Berra]

I recived one ribbon for the bronze Mothercross but none for the gold one.

Thats the only truth there is because thats what I recived!

I have never lost anything in the mail either from overseas or EU so regular will do just fine you have my adress in your paypal account.

-Have a very nice day and thank you for your cooperation.

/Bjorn

[Berra]

this is the exact content recived

[Berra]

Just to let you kow I did recive the missing ribbon so the seller did at honour the deal.
I just want to add that if you cant feel and see the diference between lead and any other metal in hand you have no bussisnes selling on the estand!

Please correct me if I am wrong

Bjorn