Police NCO Sleeve Eagles

[aircrew76]

any opinions on these eagles ?

everyone knows it is a pain trying to find good items thanks for helping.

[aircrew76]

3 eagles for review

I think the 2 side eagles are good but just got the center eagle
opinions please ?

[germanpolice]

all good

[martinsuper]

Eagles

My humble contribution. I am new here...



After reading this thread I have seen the theory that by comparing eagles we could come up with manufacturers?

I agree with this idea. In particular I have noticed that the Speyer eagles are not as "orange" as others, or seem to fade quicker?

Also, anything from Schweinfurt has that VERY LARGE script that does not look like the other eagles?

One other thing. After seeing this thread I am VERY envious of those who have Austrian eagles! I have wanted one for a long time! In particular Klagenfurt, or Vienna! Though I collect mostly Gendarmerie eagles, I would pick up Austrian eagles in any color!

Just some thoughts!

[germanpolice]

Martinsuper Nice collectoin however the Trier is a repro from what I can see

[W.Unland]

Regarding an attempt to identify eagle manufacturers, "Germanpolice" and I attempted to categorize these things a few years ago and found it nearly impossible to identify any manufacturers by name. Indeed you can ID types or pattern BUT actually putting a name to them is impossible.

The observations you make are valid, but that is about as far as you can go.
I have identified about 50 different "types" which represent different makers, but who those makers were is unknown.

Unlike SS insignia for instance with a limited number of authorized makers, police insignia were made everywhere. Some by big companies others small local firms. The names were sometimes factory applied and sometimes applied by local tailors. You can find 3 or 4 different script types on the same pattern of eagle.

So, although I applaud your though, having tried to do it already I can report it is an impossible task. You can classify types, but identifying makers is just not possible.

The Speyer type eagles have a bad orange dye that oxidizes more than other makers. That is why they all fade, some times to white.

And I unfortunately agree that the first eagle in the display looks like a know reproduction.

Regards,
W.Unland

[martinsuper]

Trier Eagle

Gentlemen,

Thanks for the information!

Unlike many, I usually don't try to dump my bad product on others. I guess I will just leave the Trier eagle where it is! But good to know!

Also, after reading this entire post I find that the Armored Eagle with the white Swastika is also a known fake. I had three well known and respected dealers look at it for me and all gave it the ok.

SO MUCH FOR THAT!

I also have noticed that my Late War Eagle is Army Green and technically, not police. I will hang on to it, but its going into a different case.

Bill, I thank you for the explanations here. With this hobby we must always learn! One thing I will do is save your photos to my phone so I have a mobile reference!

You just picked up some VERY nice eagles at SOS. Can you give us some high resolution front and backs of those with a few words on each?

Also, the water police summer weight eagle. Did you pick that up from Walt Dudgeon? I saw them but thought the price was too high. Now I am maybe regretting that thought!

I want a white traffic eagle, but the three at SOS I found all looked fake. In particular the stitching looked wrong to me AND they were not a "flat" stitch but instead had a great deal of height between the top of the stitch and the material. Can you speak to that?

Regards to all, and thanks for the help and kind words.

-Martin Super

[Dave C.]

Martin,

Below is a link to a thread you may find interesting if you have not already seen it. It's discusses the eagles such as the Wien you picked up at the SOS. And yes, the white swastika examples are known fake...so much for dealer opinions, think it would best to ask police collector opinions if available but that is not always the case at shows.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ht=wien&page=2

It was Doug that picked up all those eagles at the SOS, it seems like that maybe confused in your post above.

Chances are you likely saw fake traffic police sleeve eagle/wreaths as the real examples are rather scarce. Would you have pics of what you seen? Stitching can be different due to the complications of a light weight backing materials.

Would you mind posting a picture of your Schupo example that starts with 'Bad' that one maybe a discussion item.

Thanks,

Dave

[aircrew76]

new additions to my small collection.

xx

[luxeon]

[THEPOLIZEIMAN]

Love all the eagles!!!!!!!!!!

[DerGendarm]

Although the "motorized gendarmerie" handled traffic police duties on the highways the Verkehrspolizei were the traffic police in the cities. They were a sub-formation of the Schutzpolizei, but wore white cotton tunics with a red branch color while performing traffic control duties. As far as I am aware they continued to wear "named" eagles throughout the war as they were not assigned to work outside of the city proper and would not have been in "combat" zones.

Thank you for posting this one!!!

[DerGendarm]

Hello Unland,

your knowledge about this is unchallenged. As a newbie I get lost real quick.

Here another eagle - fake I guess.

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Thanks again for posting this - I will use it as a reference for my future collections.

[walex]

Gendarmerie..

[SCHUPO]

Gendarmerie..

No... no... no... green eagles are not Gendarmerie but are Municipal Schutzpolizei.