Shoulder Board Cypher ID

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Police is not an area that I am very familar with, so; I am appealing for help in identifying these cyphers. A little backround to the original owner, he served with Reichswehr Kav. units and later the prewar police. During the war he was a Feldgendarmerie and won the EKII. Please forgive the terrible picture. Thank you in advance.

[Diane]

Wow - that's neat!

Hi!

I'm taking a wild guess but could this be "LG" - for "Landespolizeigruppe Goering"?


Maybe Bill Unland or Joe Wotka will know.


Diane

[lbsr]

But it is "LS"!

[Dave C.]

Interesting. Looking through the Assmann catalog reprint there appears an "LS" cypher and also "SL" but only described as "monogramme". wonder if posting in the Army/Luftwaffe uniforms forum would help??

[Diane]

Not "LS" but "LG"

Hi,

This is NOT a military cipher. It clearly looks like an "LG" to me. Compare the "g" to a Grossdeutschland cipher, not the similarity.

I could be wrong of course. Lets keep an open mind.


Diane

[Dave C.]

OK, good point about comparing the second letter in question with the G of GD ciphers. It certainly appears to be a G only with a little more flare.
If LPG, perhaps an interim identifier until the introduction of the cuff band???

[lbsr]

Diane
try google "Fraktur", "Sütterlin" - you will see I'm right. You canot mixed together bookbinder's type & hand script (GD) and Gothic/Altdeutsch font with Latin font!"GD" is latin script, letters on Your shoulderboard are in Fraktur (gothic/oldgerman)!!!
Letter "S" in this form You can see on shoulderboards letters (Auflage) for Heeresportschule - look at
http://chrito.users1.50megs.com/unif...eersymbols.htm for example.

Dave,
it can not be in Assmann catalog, stylizing of letters are much older (if you have Reddick Enterprises reprint). I think mid 20's or older ...&, as Diane stated, it is clearly police shoulderboard.

I tried Internet (http://abkuerzungen.woxikon.de/abkuerzung/ls.php) - it could be "Landesschule" or "Lüdenscheid" - "Landesschule" is more probable...

[Dave C.]

Jiri, interesting link and it certainly appears to be an "S". These different styles drive me a little crazy. Also, I do know the Assmann catalog is later publication for te most part and I was only using it for ideas since it covers a large selection of ciphers, both military and police related.

[Gerd W.]

Jiri, interesting link and it certainly appears to be an "S". These different styles drive me a little crazy. Also, I do know the Assmann catalog is later publication for te most part and I was only using it for ideas since it covers a large selection of ciphers, both military and police related.

Dave, hope you´ll not get crazy

It´s an L and a G (for me doubtless)

The links are interesting, but they don´t match the problem here. Theses ciphers show some "artistic abnormalities" to all what I´ve seen on German shoulder boards after 1918!

My questions:

1. are we sure, that the straps and the ciphers were together since day one?

2. are they maybe a pre 1918 used style?

3. are they German (they look like)?

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Erich Kuehne

The boards are art of a large grouping of articles that I purchased that belonged to Herr Kuehne at one time. The cyphers are original to the boards and the pins of the cyphers do not go through. Among the items from the grouping:

Heer Wehrpass

Police Soldbuch

Bronze SA sport badge

EKII

Heer 4 year service medal

Czech occupation medal

Russian Front medal

War Merit medal II class with swords

Reichswehr period photos

French campaign photo of him in front of a knocked out Panhard armored car.

Various police insignia from Feldgendarmerie

Sew-in Stabsfeldwebel Infanterie straps

Reiter Rgt. 16 sew-in Unterwachmeister straps

Ribbon bar (not with medals) including:

EKII, KVKII, Ost medal, Heer 12 year service, Heer 4 yr service, Police service, Czech medal with Prague castle bar.

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Erich Kuehne

There is a gap in the information that I have on Heer Kuehne, this goes from 1931-1936. maybe someone can glean some info from his Wehrpass to help? Here is an attachment to his Wehrpass that shows his prior service.

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Seite 32

Page 32 of his Wehrpass.

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Page 33

Page 33 of the Wehrpass.

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Page 37

Page 37 of the Wehrpass.

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Insignia

Does anyone know what these collar taps are for? They are black with orange piping and gold stars.

Thank you.