Interesting Green Fire Tunic

[W.Unland]

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[hanswurst18]

N ice tunic to salvage! Where's the hat?

[JoeW]

Excellent discussion Bill. Thank you. You should see the Ikibana pro. He took a course in Mito with a friend. The teacher was so thrilled that two tall Americans were interested, that she gave them the course for free. Now he is decorating the house with settings.

[Ernst-H]

Bill,
Nice tunic

Where did you find the 1943 date for feuerwehr tunics going from blue to green?

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[Ernst-H]

Dear Bill,
The only order for the change from blue to green uniforms that I am aware of is the one in 1938/39 when the Feuerschutzpolizei was raised.
The professional fire fighters started wearing the greens while the voluntary remained in blue.

As far as I know this remaind like this till the end of the war.
I have an order from late 1943 where it is stated that a new design BLUE uniform was to be introduced for the feuerwehren. So around december 1943 they definately were still wearin blue.

Berlin had a professional Fire fighting force and thus I would suspect them to wear the green uniform. Why there is a stamp in your tunic saying "FW" in stead of the standard "PO" mark i don't know. Possibly just some administrative guy using an old stamp.

So I gues that IMO your tunic is a nice variety Feuerschutzpolizei tunic and not for the Feuerwehren,.....regardless the stamp.

Another rather interesting thing about your tunic is that it still has black collar and cuffs. My files say that the change from black to brown collar and cuffs was allready in summer 1942.
May of course be that the tunic itself was produced prior to the change in 1942 and was only stamped and handed out in 1943.

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[Dave C.]

Like Bill’s, my tunic also has black cuffs and collar, guess that makes it interesting to. It was actually March of 1942, per the Angolia/Taylor Reference, when the cuff/collar change was decreed and as pictured above my tunic also appears to be dated to 1943. No “standard PO” mark is found in my FSP tunic, is there a “standard PO” mark in yours Bill? Appears what’s pictured above is a standard marking to these particular tunics.

As per the SHAEF Report, FSP were created on September 27, 1939. Along with lots of other interesting information, there is also mentioned of subsections of local FSP called Feuerwachen (fire-fighting detachment)…would this be another possible root to the stamp difference? There is also mention of the FW being absorbed by the FSP, FW being tactical units of the FSP, and FW being attached and subordinate to the FSP. There certainly appears to be a strong connection here and perhaps this boils down to the tunic being used by different detachments with independent stamps? At this point, who really knows!

[W.Unland]

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