Close-up of the center.
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Close-up of the base where the stitching to the wool tunic material actual missed a portion of the eagle cloth !Comment
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...and a close-up of the backside showing the stitching at the wing area to the tunic wool material .Comment
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...and an other 3 feathered friend ! This one on an larger piece of tunic wool material .Comment
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Close-up of wing area.Comment
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...and close-up lower section .Comment
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hi all
this is my first 3FE, and my first picture post thanks to Dave Suter
it has been identified as a Luftschutzpolizei bill has pointed out that the same manufacturer has made 3FE for many of the police branches including panzer police.just a thought on this subject, seeing how the eagle it self is not regulation
and so not too wide spread in use, is it then possible to localize the manufacturer ie not to far from the Panzer police school ?Comment
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Dear Dread,
Your eagle on gray would most definitely be for use by the technical branch of the luftschutzpolizei. I have examples of it's brother 6 feathered eagle in LSP feuerwehr carmine on gray.
Your theory has merit. We know these eagles were used on panzer wrap uniforms so it is logical to assume that they were produced somewhere near a place where panzer assigned policemen would procure new uniforms. The panzer school in Vienna comes to mind.
Unfortunately I have NEVER seen a named version of the "Bauhaus" eagles and I have considered them all to have been produced after the regulations were changed removing the district names from the insignia.
Without a named eagle it might be impossible to speculate exactly what area or town the manufacturer of these birds resided.
These three feather eagles also have "normal" 6 feather eagles of the same design and manufacturer as shown below. Since they are all enlisted eagles it will also become difficult to find them attached to a tailored tunic with tailor's label which might otherwise point towards an area of manufacture.
I think my orange three feather might be a Feldgendarm as well, rather than Gendarmerie.
Interesting theory, probably valid, but so far impossible to pursue further.
Regards,
Bill UnlandLast edited by W.Unland; 04-02-2008, 01:16 AM.Comment
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As shown in my earlier posted photo the two eagles are identical save for the number of feathers, and obviously made by the same manufacturer:Last edited by W.Unland; 04-02-2008, 01:16 AM.Comment
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"Bauhaus"
hehehehe thats fitting did you come up with that?
yea its a pitty that the origin of the 3FE cant be traced and explained
we only know they exist,of are period manufacture,and appear in period photos
as to why a non regulation eagle was made and used we may never know,that being said there must have been a legitimate reason for there use, taking in consideration the strict regs of the ReichComment
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Dear Dread,
Yes that "Bauhaus" thing is mine. They are very modern looking, not realistic at all and fit in with the bauhaus style of design I think.
I am convinced that there is nothing more complicated or sinister in the 3 feather design than that it was easier to produce. A manufacturing shortcut to maximize time and profit.......capitalism at work.
Germany's reputation for strict regulations is a modern interpretation which can be traced to SS collectors and the RZM myth, ie; every good insignia is exactly like the one accepted as the "standard"...all others are bad, as regards police eagles at least.
This is definitely NOT the case with police insignia. There are as many variations as mom and pop shops that turned this stuff out. I sincerely believe that the regulations were treated as "guidelines", nothing more.
Best regards,
Bill UComment
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I recently obtained a Police Arm Eagle and a shoulderboard as part of a small collection of badges and insignia, so I thought I would share the two Police items them with you.
As I am very new to this hobby, I hope no-one minds if I ask the odd stupid question! Why exactly were some of these eagles in green and others in orange? What was the organisational difference? Is there anything particularly interesting or noteworthy about either?
Thank you.
Shot with DMC-FZ30 at 2007-08-05
Shot with DMC-FZ30 at 2007-08-05
Shot with DMC-FZ30 at 2007-08-05Comment
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Dear Phil,
Welcome to police collecting. Your question is not stupid at all. There were many branches of the police and each used their own color coded eagle, at least pre-war and in the early years of the war.
I wrote a thread which explains some of the color distinctions. You can read it here:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...e+eagle+primer
Oh by the way nice summer Schutzpolizei eagle. The name was removed above the eagle to comply with regulations early in the war. Here are a couple of his brothers, same pattern and maker:
Best regards,
Bill UnlandLast edited by W.Unland; 04-02-2008, 01:17 AM.Comment
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Just a quick message to say 'thankyou' to Bill for identifying my eagle for me and providing the fascinating background. Your history and information thread on the police Eagles makes absolutely fascinating reading.
The shoulderboard is, I take it, a wartime Oberwachtmeister? Consulting Brian L. Davis's book here...
Thanks again.Comment
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