Sportsbadge confusion

[Sonderkommando]

Uwe,
Excellent information and thanks for sharing it with us!

There is also no contempory pics of anyone wearing a DRL without swaz and considering the '36 Olympics were during the period of the DRL badge being discussed, I find it amazing if there really existed this badge (without swaz).

Brett

[speedytop]

Thank you Brett,

it is a hard way here in this forum for me!

But I'm not alone with this opinion.
Jörg Nimmergut, I think well known here, removed the price rating for DRL w/o swastika from his several catalogues only a few years ago.

The price rating and the picture in Detlef Niemanns catalogue 2 from 2004 is not a good figurehead for his reputation.
Just the picture on page 353 is treasonably.

Tomorrow or the day after I will try to show you the way to produce the wondrous "tip" with an example, but for this purpose I need a certain part, that I will receive tomorrow.


Regards
Uwe

[speedytop]

Hi,

I still wait for the contemporary pictures and documents, which prove the existence of the DRL w/o swastika.


But now I will try to explain the development of the "tip" in a DRL w/o swastika.

To produce a piece like this you need several steps with different tools.

To form the plate, you need a die, possessing the "face" of the badge.

The 2 examples shown here are pre-formed tinnies from 1956, early Bundeswehr.



This die for the obverse of the sports badge DRL with swastika had been over-worked, to remove the swastika complete. Designed with a new closed loop, never used for sports badges before. I think, technical nearly perfect done.

One of the next tools you need, is a die to cut off the not used parts in the pre-formed badges. You can see the difference in the next picture, the finished tinny for the Medical Corps in the German Army.



And that had been the old die for the DRL sports badge, with the tip for the swastika.
Not over-worked, because you could not see the swastika on the reverse, only the tip.
Forgotten? Unreflecting? I do not know it.


For all the unbelievers in this forum:

Do you really believe furthermore, that they first produce a badge DRL with the tip, and afterwards they produce the badge with the swastika?


Regards
Uwe

[TobyR]

In his academic work "Der Weg des Sports in die Nationalsozialistiche Diktatur" (Verlag Karl Hofmann, Schorndorf, 1983), the scholar Hajo Bernett states that in 1934, concerning the "Reichssportabzeichen", the symbol (he uses the German word "Signatur") DRA was replaced with DRL and the wreath of oakleaves was decorated with a swastika. *

He makes no mention whatsoever of the existence of a DRL badge without swastika during the National Socialist period.

*(Chapter 7, "Vereinheitlichung" (Standardization))

Best regards,
Toby.

[andya]

help

Hi
I have read through this thread and others on this subject and am very confused. Are you saying that the type of badge I picture here was never produced pre 1945 or only not produced between certain years prior to 1945? Sorry to come across as thick but I would appreciate clarification on this
thanks in advance
andy

[Sonderkommando]

Hi Andy,
Your badge is a DRA badge and not the DRL badge that is being discussed as post war.

You have a nice example of an original DRA badge...


Brett

[andya]

Thanks Brett

Told you I was thick

cheers
andy

[speedytop]

Hi Andy,

please look here:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=93948


Brett, thanks for your assistance.


In Germany we sometimes say:

"Still ruht der See"

direct translated, the lake rests quietly.


No pictures, no documents!


Regards
Uwe

[TobyR]

Thank you Brett,

it is a hard way here in this forum for me!

But I'm not alone with this opinion.
J******246;rg Nimmergut, I think well known here, removed the price rating for DRL w/o swastika from his several catalogues only a few years ago.

The price rating and the picture in Detlef Niemanns catalogue 2 from 2004 is not a good figurehead for his reputation.
Just the picture on page 353 is treasonably.

Tomorrow or the day after I will try to show you the way to produce the wondrous "tip" with an example, but for this purpose I need a certain part, that I will receive tomorrow.


Regards
Uwe

Thought this tinnie for the 1st Gau Festival of the DRL - Gau Niedersachsen, dated 1935, might be of use to this thread.

Best regards,
Toby.

[TobyR]

And a close-up:

[TobyR]

As can be seen, a representation of a DRL badge with swastika on a tinnie commemorating an event that took place in 1935.

[speedytop]

Hi Toby,

thank you That's great!


Enclosed is a picture of a DRL document (page 3 of 16 pages), printed in Mai 1935 (red marked on the bottom left) upon receipt of the document in August 1935 (red marked on the top right) at the responsible sports organization ( D.R.B.f.L. = Deutscher Reichsbund für Leibesübungen).



Regards
Uwe

[Scott C.]

Does anyone know if BH Mayer made sports badges post-war? I forget where I got this photo from, but it's a mini DRL without swastika, marked "BH Mayer Pforzheim."

Scott

[speedytop]

Hi Scott,

BH Mayer Pforzheim made sports badges post-war, they produce till this day!

http://www.google.de/maps?hl=de&clie...HZ_y2QKi9o3mBQ

http://www.identity-sign.de/


Regards
Uwe

[DaveR]

Drl

i think most of us agree that no TR DRL existed with out swaz. only the earlyer DRA badge. so untill some one can produce pics and period refference that shows a DRL with out swaz used before 1945, they do not exist.
i realize i have very few posts on this forum. but i have collected TR for about 35 years now.
DaveR