Gestapo ID shield for review

[JoeW]

Did you buy it Dead Man?

[Ric Ferrari]

Thank you for pics, a very nice piece with provenance

Ric

[Gary Symonds]

In my database I do have 675 recorded as an Ausweis for a Gemeinde Kripo official. Perhaps we have another instance of a duplicate number coming out of the SIPO personnel department.

This again raises the question if the German Police had a separate data base for the three arms of the polizei that used identity disks, the Kripo, Germeinde,. Gestapo?

When I raised the proposition that Joachim Streckwaldt was of the opinion that each service had its own list, it was immediately denied by the concerned membership, who maintained that all of the numbers of the disks were sequential and that number 675 as here could be Gestapo, but 676 could be Kripo, and so on.

Here is another example supporting Streckwaldt's opinion of a separate data base for each service.

How many errors could the efficient Germans have?

[Reichskanzler]

A super rare original! Congratulations!

[JoeW]

This again raises the question if the German Police had a separate data base for the three arms of the polizei that used identity disks, the Kripo, Germeinde,. Gestapo?

When I raised the proposition that Joachim Streckwaldt was of the opinion that each service had its own list, it was immediately denied by the concerned membership, who maintained that all of the numbers of the disks were sequential and that number 675 as here could be Gestapo, but 676 could be Kripo, and so on.

Here is another example supporting Streckwaldt's opinion of a separate data base for each service.

How many errors could the efficient Germans have?

Gary, did Joachim explain to you his reasoning behind his opinion that there three different lists? ? Honestly I thought he was of the same opinion as those you describe as "concerned membership". I don't believe six errors in the several hundred I have listed is concerning. And my belief is rooted in some basic historical facts.First, all discs were minted in one place and created under one decree. Second, all personnel decisions were made and controlled by the Personnel Amt of first the SIPO and then the RSHA. The Amts in charge of the Kripo/ Gem Kripo and the Gestapo did not control their personnel records or needs. Requests for personnel were made to the central personnel department and required discs/Ausweis were issued.One department kept one list. If there were multiple lists, I am of the opinion that there would be many more duplications found over the past fifty years.

I would be glad to hear the reasoning behind a contrary view.

[Mort Homme]

New pictures, folks

[Mort Homme]

more pics

[Gary Symonds]

Gary, did Joachim explain to you his reasoning behind his opinion that there three different lists? ? Honestly I thought he was of the same opinion as those you describe as "concerned membership". I don't believe six errors in the several hundred I have listed is concerning. And my belief is rooted in some basic historical facts.First, all discs were minted in one place and created under one decree. Second, all personnel decisions were made and controlled by the Personnel Amt of first the SIPO and then the RSHA. The Amts in charge of the Kripo/ Gem Kripo and the Gestapo did not control their personnel records or needs. Requests for personnel were made to the central personnel department and required discs/Ausweis were issued.One department kept one list. If there were multiple lists, I am of the opinion that there would be many more duplications found over the past fifty years.

I would be glad to hear the reasoning behind a contrary view.

Joe, maybe I misunderstood Joachim.

He is a member of the WAF, and I'm sure he would be happy to correct me if I was wrong about his opinion.

[Mort Homme]

Did you buy it Dead Man?

Yes, I did. Fine looking disc.
It belonged to one of staff members of Gestapo who were taken prisoners at Skaugum (Norwegian King family residence outside Oslo, taken by the German occupants).
Gestapo had at an office there along with SS and Terboven. Obergruppenführer Wilhelm Rediess shot himself there 8. May 1945. Terboven blew himself up with almost 100 kg with dynamite in a bunker placed in the garden. The disc was found among other things in those days.

[JoeW]

Yes, I did. Fine looking disc.
It belonged to one of staff members of Gestapo who were taken prisoners at Skaugum (Norwegian King family residence outside Oslo, taken by the German occupants).
Gestapo had at an office there along with SS and Terboven. Obergruppenführer Wilhelm Rediess shot himself there 8. May 1945. Terboven blew himself up with almost 100 kg with dynamite in a bunker placed in the garden. The disc was found among other things in those days.

That's what I figured when you mentioned the location. You might try Axis History Forum to seek RHSA members at the various Norwegen sites. Perhaps they have a list of the Skagum group.

[Stan]

That's a very nice example and an interesting provenance.

Stan