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    Hello All Here,

    I don't really know 'jack' about 'paper', so I need a bit of help with Kurrent script translation. I have only a page or 2 from a Luft Wehrpass, I believe.

    Can anyone help me with entry number '9'? I have listed what I believe to be the other award entries. All help is much appreciated.

    Regards,
    Mark




    1) Luftwaffe P/O Award
    2) Spanish Cross in Gold with Swords
    3) Spanish War Cross
    4) Spanish Campaign Medal
    5) Sudetenland Medal
    6) 4 Year Service Award
    7) Iron Cross 2nd Class
    8) Iron Crosss 1st Class
    9) ??? Award for Spanish Air War ???
    10) Bomber Clasp in Silver
    11) Ehrenpokal for Special Achievement in Aerial Warfare in England
    Attached Files
    "You can check out any time you like ..... But you can never leave....."

    #2
    9.) Hoheitszeichen der spanischen Luftwaffe

    Great Soldbuch awards page

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      #3
      Last stamp FPN: L33623 is from 5. Staffel II. Gruppe Kampf-Geschwader 4

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        #4
        National emblem of the Spanish Air Force. Could that be interpreted as Spanish Flight Wings? P/O?


        Originally posted by naxos View Post
        9.) Hoheitszeichen der spanischen Luftwaffe

        Great Soldbuch awards page
        "You can check out any time you like ..... But you can never leave....."

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          #5
          Originally posted by mmiller View Post
          Could that be interpreted as Spanish Flight Wings? P/O?
          Yes
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          Last edited by naxos; 09-17-2019, 12:02 PM.

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            #6
            Looking at the 'general' dates around that stamp's time frame, we would be looking at early 41 onward. On this link ( https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Kampfgeschwader_4 ) which is a History of KG4, there is a section on Balkans Campaign and Mediterranean, Middle East and African theatres. " On 29 March 1941 the unit relocated to Wien-Aspern in Austria to begin operations over Yugoslavia and Greece for the coming Balkans Campaign. During the Yugoslavian invasion, II./KG 4 participated in the bombing of Belgrade, with 25 He 111s (out of 28 serviceable) on 6 April 1941. II. Gruppe mined the waters off Alexandria and the Suez Canal."

            This is interesting for several reasons. II./KG 4 participated in the Balkans Campaign. On a second page from my Soldbuch, the Pilot received the Bulgarian Cross of Courage and the Croation Order of the Crown of King Zvonimar, II.Class with Swords. Seemingly from the Balkan's actions. See entries 16 and 14.

            The KG4 link also mentions that, "II. Gruppe mined the waters off Alexandria and the Suez Canal." My Pilot received the Italian War Cross with Military Valor for laying mines. See entry 13.

            I'm not the 'specialist' here! Just trying to fit the pieces into the puzzle.

            Mark



            Originally posted by naxos View Post
            Last stamp FPN: L33623 is from 5. Staffel II. Gruppe Kampf-Geschwader 4
            Attached Files
            "You can check out any time you like ..... But you can never leave....."

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              #7
              This is your man as Oberleutnant circa 1939/40
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                #8
                Hah! You found my picture! That's the man.
                "You can check out any time you like ..... But you can never leave....."

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by mmiller View Post
                  Hah! You found my picture! That's the man.

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                    #10
                    Replacement Pilot's License. Don't know if the original (No. 138/37) was lost/destroyed, or full with entries.
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                      #11
                      Me 262

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by mmiller View Post
                        Replacement Pilot's License. Don't know if the original (No. 138/37) was lost/destroyed, or full with entries.
                        It was lost [= "in Verlust geraten"].

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                          #13
                          Thanks, lost as I suspected.

                          I also suspect Knauth's original Flugzeugfuhrer & Flugzeugbeobachter Abzeichen Doc was lost. His original Pilot and his original Observer Scheins were 1937 and 1938, respectively. There are indications he received the Doppel Abzeichen at that time. (Why not?) The only official Knauth P/O document I have is dated 2.IX.1944, which is co-incidentally, shortly (2 months) after he received his replacement Pilot's Schein 15.VII.1944. I tend to think also a replacement.

                          Would a replacement P/O Abzeichen necessarily be marked as such?


                          Originally posted by HPL2008 View Post
                          It was lost [= "in Verlust geraten"].
                          "You can check out any time you like ..... But you can never leave....."

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by mmiller View Post
                            I also suspect Knauth's original Flugzeugfuhrer & Flugzeugbeobachter Abzeichen Doc was lost. His original Pilot and his original Observer Scheins were 1937 and 1938, respectively. There are indications he received the Doppel Abzeichen at that time. (Why not?) The only official Knauth P/O document I have is dated 2.IX.1944, which is co-incidentally, shortly (2 months) after he received his replacement Pilot's Schein 15.VII.1944. I tend to think also a replacement.
                            Almost certainly. In order to qualify for the Combined Pilot/Observer Badge [Doppelabzeichen], the holder had to be fully qualified both as a pilot and an observer (obviously) and had to have held one of the two flight badges for at least one year. So, if he qualified for the two individual badges in 1937 and 1938, he had already become eligible for the P/O Badge in 1939.


                            Originally posted by mmiller View Post
                            Would a replacement P/O Abzeichen necessarily be marked as such?
                            The actual badge? Not to my knowledge.

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                              #15
                              Sorry, I wasn't clear on that. What I meant was a replacement P/O Document.



                              Originally posted by HPL2008 View Post
                              The actual badge? Not to my knowledge.
                              "You can check out any time you like ..... But you can never leave....."

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