EK2 citation in estand

[matthias_AC]

Guys,

what do you think about this citation?

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ighlight=woman

In my opinion the stamp doesn´t make much sence as the Feldpostnummer belongs to a Luftwaffe unit?? Also, does it say "Berlin" on the bottom of the stamp?

If I am correct I´d be very sceptical about this document... I know strange things that we would consider impossible happened in the last months and days of the war, but a Luftwaffe stamp from Berlin on a fieldmade citation of a Heer unit that was neither raised nor based nor active in/near Berlin rings my alarm bells!

But maybe I am wrong and the stamp is easy to explain?


Best!


Matthias

[PanzerElite]

i pass it as i don't like the seal.

[Simon O.]

From what i can read the stamp is 49611, LW. Auffangstab West, which is the right geographical area, the commander of which went into British captivity which means North West Germany and corresponds to the area 3 Pz.Gr.Div. was operating in at the end. Don't be misled by the word Berlin on the stamp, it has nothing to do with the physical location of the unit/formation.
The signing major needs to be identified but overall it fits.

These kinds of documents are very difficult to unravel without detailed knowledge, which can often only be got from archive sources. A good example is the SS Polizei group i recently aquired which was only possible to confirm with archive sources. Had i not had those it would have had the same question marks over it as this one.


This doc really does need supporting documentation and research but from what i see so far i see nothing to dismiss it out of hand based on what we see here.

[matthias_AC]

From what i can read the stamp is 49611, LW. Auffangstab West, which is the right geographical area, the commander of which went into British captivity which means North West Germany and corresponds to the area 3 Pz.Gr.Div. was operating in at the end. Don't be misled by the word Berlin on the stamp, it has nothing to do with the physical location of the unit/formation.
The signing major needs to be identified but overall it fits.

These kinds of documents are very difficult to unravel without detailed knowledge, which can often only be got from archive sources. A good example is the SS Polizei group i recently aquired which was only possible to confirm with archive sources. Had i not had those it would have had the same question marks over it as this one.


This doc really does need supporting documentation and research but from what i see so far i see nothing to dismiss it out of hand based on what we see here.

Thank you Simon. I coulnd´t (and still can´t) read the Feldpostnummer, only noticed it was a Luftwaffe number which seemed odd.

Any other additional information or opinions?

[Brian R]

This is a very interesting document. It's May 1945 so anything goes... we have a handwritten document awarded to a woman by a Major as Divisonfuehrer. Does anyone know the name of the Major who held temporary command of the division in May 1945? My understanding is that the division was destroyed in the Ruhr Pocket - were elements of it that escaped really still considered a division in the Harz? There are so may questions. What I think is particularly strange about this document is that, if someone took the time to create this relatively ornate field version, why did they mirror the Type 1 document that had been out of circulation for over two years?

It's intriguing to say the least but I don't see how anyone could pay a premium for it without provenance.

[pep]

even its hand written gothic script that seems an original document issued as it could be done ... LW seal, a major being commander of a division that, as far as I know, surrended in april 1945 to allies in the ruhr pocket and which las tcommander was generalleutnant walter denkert, turns it to a suspicious document. unless, as simon says, supporting documentation is available.

[PanzerElite]

even its hand written gothic script that seems an original document issued as it could be done ... LW seal, a major being commander of a division that, as far as I know, surrended in april 1945 to allies in the ruhr pocket and which las tcommander was generalleutnant walter denkert, turns it to a suspicious document. unless, as simon says, supporting documentation is available.

Major u. Fuhrer d.3 Pz.Gr.Div.

[Simon O.]

even its hand written gothic script that seems an original document issued as it could be done ... LW seal, a major being commander of a division that, as far as I know, surrended in april 1945 to allies in the ruhr pocket and which las tcommander was generalleutnant walter denkert, turns it to a suspicious document. unless, as simon says, supporting documentation is available.

I don't have access to the right sources but if it's correct that the bulk of the division, including its headquarters went into captivity but some of its echelon formations remained active then i can easily see this scenario. I would certainly be a lot more suspicious had it had the correct stamp and the General's signature

[pep]

i don't have access to the right sources but if it's correct that the bulk of the division, including its headquarters went into captivity but some of its echelon formations remained active then i can easily see this scenario. I would certainly be a lot more suspicious had it had the correct stamp and the general's signature

+1

[Yubari]

At first price is crazy even if this one is legit.
Additionally, you need to put big trust into this documents in March and April 1945 not always followed the right process. In the end I would gamble and pay 100 EUR for further research.