Ju 52 flyers group

[Ohlau]

Very interesting, very professional flyer. What was destination his last flight on 20 april ? Cannot read correctly

[cesky67]

looks like Neuenburg

Cesky

[Ohlau]

looks like Neuenburg

Cesky

Or maybe Neuburg ? http://www.fliegerhorste.de/neuburg.htm

[Ohlau]

Some mystery with his last flights.

Neuenburg am Rhein was captured by French troops in late november 1944, Neuenburg near Oder on east was captured by soviets by early february 1945.

Why flying with transport plane into captured by enemy territory ? Secret mission with parachute ?

Or different "Neuenburg" if read correctly

[gldani]

Hello Gentlemen,

I think Neuenbug is Nowe (in German: Neuenburg in Westpreußen) town in Poland on Vistula River, in May 1945 German forces still combat here.

Wrong or right?

[Ohlau]

Hello Gentlemen,

I think Neuenbug is Nowe (in German: Neuenburg in Westpreußen) town in Poland on Vistula River, in May 1945 German forces still combat here.

Wrong or right?

Still mystery and not enough clear. It is true that german forces combat till the end of war at Vistula river estuary.

Problem is german maps show Neuenburg (at Vistula) was from early march 1945 in soviet hands.

See this :
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/.../XXIII0345.jpg

Our flyer (from his Flugbuch) made a sortie on 20 april 1945. I can agree with possibility that he made a mission to surrounded troops, but at this time -20 april 1945 in Neunburg area (according to map) were only soviets.

Why flying somehow dangeorus mission to place where are only soviets and none from german forces ?

[gldani]

Olhau, interesting mistery!!

From Axix History Forum I take this passage:

"...The vst.Fsch-Pz.Gren.Ers.-&-Ausb.Rgt. 1 "HG" ["verstärkt" = strenghtened] fought within the divisional structure of 83. Inf.Div. on the left bank of the Vistula [Weichsel]. Major fightings "HG" was involved were the defense of an enemy attack to the flank in the area NEUENBURG and the heavy repulse at the KLEMPINER BERG, the last defensive position on the hights (20km) at the gates of DANZIG. On 9 May 1945 the remnants of the unit went into Soviet captivity on Halbinsel HELA....".

What do you think?

[Ohlau]

True story with, some remnants of german forces were active there till the end. Also in Hel.

But again at early march frontline according to german map was behind Neuenburg. So, if he landed there (20 april) - it wasn't strictly in Neuenburg because that would be his last flight - and guy would be captured or even killed. Something I can not understand.

Flugbuch is strictly saying about "Landung" in Neuenburg.

How ???? What flugplatz in "Neuenburg" if there were according to map soviets ??? And short time flight ??? 20 minutes ?? Did germans had other different flugplatz callsed as Neuenburg ??

[cesky67]

Would I be correct to say, that from the Flugbuch, that he took off from Buchwalde ?

The entry Prag bzakowice would that be Prag Czech republic. It took 60mins to reach Prag bzakowice. There were a number of locations called Buchwalde (Poland and Germany). There are two north of Prag at a distance of approx. 130km and 160km. The Ju52 seems to have a top speed of 265km/hr. So would travelling at 160km/hr be regarded as too slow or would that be average speed. So maybe a possibility. He then went on a 5 min journey from Prag and then another 5 min journey back to Prag. He then went on a journey to Neuenburg (if correct) that took 20 mins. So at 160km/hr must be approx. 50-60 km away which would still be within Czech republic maybe on German or Polish border. (all based on Prag being Prag, Czech). I couldn't find any of the other locations mentioned anywhere expect Buchwalde.

Cesky

[Archi]

Hello !

Great detective work by Cesky !
Then it could be : Nymburk (German translation : Nimburg or Neuenburg an der Elbe).
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nymburk
This is located 40 km NE of Prag and would perfectly fit within Ceskys calculations !

Best regards,

Archi

P.S.: Excellent group of course, and thanks for showing !

[Ohlau]

Would I be correct to say, that from the Flugbuch, that he took off from Buchwalde ?

The entry Prag bzakowice would that be Prag Czech republic. It took 60mins to reach Prag bzakowice. There were a number of locations called Buchwalde (Poland and Germany). There are two north of Prag at a distance of approx. 130km and 160km. The Ju52 seems to have a top speed of 265km/hr. So would travelling at 160km/hr be regarded as too slow or would that be average speed. So maybe a possibility. He then went on a 5 min journey from Prag and then another 5 min journey back to Prag. He then went on a journey to Neuenburg (if correct) that took 20 mins. So at 160km/hr must be approx. 50-60 km away which would still be within Czech republic maybe on German or Polish border. (all based on Prag being Prag, Czech). I couldn't find any of the other locations mentioned anywhere expect Buchwalde.

Cesky

Yes that made things more clear. Sorry for words but but his handwriting was not readable for me.

So in the end we know he operated mostly southern sector easfront on last months. Dresden, Briesen flights for Breslau and Nymburg as Archi described

Now is clear image of actvity our flyer.

[Ohlau]

Here is a link with interesting photos made in Nymburk in april 1945

http://www.fisherklub.cz/obsah/nymburk-1945


https://nymbursky.denik.cz/galerie/p...884-42&photo=1

[Ohlau]

Airfield in Nymburg - this the place where Valk landed his Ju-52 for the last time in war.

http://www.letistenymburk.cz/letiste...20en/index.htm

http://www.vrtulnik.cz/ww2/protektorat-nymburk.htm

http://aeroklubnbk.sweb.cz/page/historie.htm

[Ohlau]

I picked this up not long ago. The group has 4 Flugbücher with 1,478 flights entered all the way up until April 1945.

silver and bronze decorations

All commanders signatures ("Unterschrifts") matches perfectly to the historical sources :

Commanders of Valk 's unit - TG.4 were Oberst Kupschuss and in 1944 Major Reymann (In sources "Reimann").

http://www.axishistory.com/axis-nati...rtgeschwader-4
http://www.ww2.dk/air/transport/tg4.htm

[beaviso]

Neuenburg a/der Weichsel? In April 1945? No such possibility, as it was lost on 20th February.

The "Neuenburg" in question is, in fact Milovice near Nymburk.

14/04/45 - landing at Prag-Tsakowice (Cakovice)
14/04/45 - landing at Letnany (another airfield in Prague)
15/04/45 - landing at Tsakowice
17/04/45 - landing at Neuenburg, 20 min. flight from Prague region
19/04/45 - landing at Ruzin, which is yet another airfield in Prague
20/04/45 - landing at Neuenburg

Neuenburg = Milovice near Nymburk, some 40 kilometres off Prague

http://www.ww2.dk/Airfields%20-%20Czechoslovakia.pdf

Cakovice & Letnany:
16 Apr 45: low-level attack by VIII Fighter Command P-51s – claimed 31 destroyed or damaged, mostly Ju 88s, Do 217s and Ju 52s.

Milovice:
Operational Units: III./SG 2 (Milowitz, Apr-May 45); I./TG 3 (Neuenburg, Apr-May 45)
http://vojenske-prostory.cz/milovice...dar/#section-2 <------------- This is the airfield in question.

M.