SS stamp

[Antonio Scapini]

Hi guys, I know this is not a paper item, but I think this is the best forum to discuss it.
It comes from an old (very old) collection I recently picked up.
It seems to be a good one, made with proper iron working (not casted).
Here it is.
Any imput is appreciated.

[Antonio Scapini]

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[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

interesting stamp.

What is the size of it ?

Many "SS-Hospital Reichenberg" fake "laser stamped" items are available online.

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/art-de...inions-533562/

http://nuts44.skyrock.com/3194723173-N-570.html

http://antikeye.com/product:1771,med...al-reichenberg

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-l...9-c-dcf4d66968

Someone seemed to have taken all the "old" civilian kitchen items he found and lasered them...

Two dubious "medical smocks" were previously presented on the WAF :

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=92020

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=376001

Now the question is : was the real name of the hospital "SS-Hospital Reichenberg" ?
It seemed that Lazarett was more widely used (cf Warrelics topic)...

More on this topic :

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=108669

See You

Vince

[Gerdan]

Just an addition to Reichenberg SS-hospital

https://www.google.de/search?q=SS+ho...G9T5I6UkEXYWM:

https://www.google.de/search?q=SS+ho...aa1K5SrKlbvcM:


Gerdan

[FrenchVolunteer]

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[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

another French blog mainly full of ugly modern/fantasy fakes...

http://esercito57undhans.skyrock.com/15.html

See You

Vince

[Antonio Scapini]

I saw some of the fake items on web. They are obvious fakes and, I would say, easy to spot.

This is a hand worked block of iron, it is 5 cm long and heavy.

I know common name is SS-Lazarett, but also hospital were used during the period.

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

could it be an iron stamp for leather parts ?

See You

Vince

[Antonio Scapini]

That could be right Vince... Never tought about a stamp for cloths or leather items.

[Archi]

Hello !

I would consider the following 2 questions :
1.) Is there any evidence from Soldbuchs, award docs, other official docs,
that a Lazarett, operated by the SS existed in Reichenberg ?
There was one of the Heer :
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...rgResLaz-R.htm
The link provided by Vince to the axishistory thread, seems well researched,
but could be incomplete of course.

2.) What I found even more strange:
In my oppinon, in the German language terms like Krankenhaus, Hospital, Lazarett are
somehow interchangeable. However, in my understanding, when used in connection with
a military hospital of the Wehrmacht, the standard term was Lazarett (with variants
as Reserve-Lazarett, Leichtkranken-Lazarett etc.).

a) When I search with google for SS Hospital Reichenberg, I get a lot of hits, of the type
of items Vince and Gerdan showed, but still no other info on the Hospital/Lazarett itself.

b) When I change parameters, and search for "SS-Lazarett" "Reichenberg" etc., I could
not find a single hit referring to a SS Lazarett in Reichenberg.

If it really existed, this is inexplainable for me, there should at least turn up an
accidental mentioning.

This is just my personal oppinion on this item, what I would check before going into the
details on how it is made or the lettering, etc. .

Best regards,

Archi

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hello Archi,

i asked myself all your questions, and i have the same answers as you :

1°) i was unable to find any mention of an "SS Hospital Reichenberg" on the net. No info on SS locations in Czech Republic topic too...
For now, we are missing such info from period items or archives.

2°) as previously discussed, it seemed that Lazarett was the term used for WH hospitals (99% of the time). Cf the topic with SS Lazaretten.

a) this is the massive problem with the term "SS Hospital Reichenberg"... Only fake or dubious items with this term...
Could it be possible that someone "invented" from scratch this hospital, and "pimped" common items with it ?

b) yes, this is again very very strange.
However, we have the same problems for other confirmed and legit locations in Czech Republic, for example the SS location in Neweklau (Neveklov) in which the French SS volunteers trained themselves in the Summer 1944 (soldiers) or from Summer 1944 to April 1945 (officer candidates). Pictures of the barracks and buildings are scare as hell (many other SS units trained themselves here).

What is strange is that listing of "SS locations" are usually easy to find or study... Here we have nothing or so...

See You

Vince

[Archi]

Hello Vince !

So we noticed similar (very unexpected) things.
The problem is of course, that those ideas cast onyl doubts, which are not a really proof.
Therefore, it would be great to see a positive proof of the existence of SS Hospital Reichenberg.

Currently, I can image 2 different reasons, why that seems to be difficult :
a) There existed such a SS Hospital Reichenberg, but it was either very small,
in very short existence or very specialized, so for that reason almost no info exists.
(You gave an excellent example :
>> the SS location in Neweklau (Neveklov) in which the French SS volunteers trained ... << )

b) Or: It is simply an invention.

Case b) would point to the major problem, connected with these Lazaretts in general and
then with those SS-Lazaretts especially : The information available is extremely limited!

The best site I know of, is the Lexikon-der-Wehrmacht, but even this is not complete and
it also does'nt cover the SS-Lazaretts.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...Gliederung.htm
Then there is a book on the German San.-Service in WWII, but that has only an extremely small
section on the SS units and nothing at all of the Lazaretts.

As most of these Lazaretts are located within the Reichs borders, you can not look for FPNs,
Frontnachweiser, etc., to proof its existence.
Currently, I would not know where else to look. It is possible of course, that some "money makers"
are willing to make use of this fact ...

Best regards,

Archi

[Antonio Scapini]

Many thanks guys for your answers. Really interesting follow the discussion.

It is possible of course, that some "money makers"
are willing to make use of this fact ...

Best regards,

Archi

I agree with you, many fakes, but I think this is not the case. Since it somes from a very old collection and I got it for nothing.
But of course, all should be proven to be real, before considering it real. And so it is with this stamp.

[ACD]

Nowhere on the Czech web sites there is no mention of the SS hospital in Reichenberg/Liberec. There were several SS hospitals in BuM, but NONE in Reichenberg/Liberec. All these items are, in my view, only primitive fakes..

[ACD]

These enamel cups are been produced in Czechoslovakia unchanged for almost 90 years ... and all are without a manufacturer's mark.
https://www.zbozi.cz/vyrobek/belis-s...-10-cm-0-75-l/