Nuremberg signatures

[coloradocowboy]

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=795441

[Br. James]

WOW!!

Br. James

[JUNGCO]

Yet, he came home and lead a normal life.

[coloradocowboy]

Thanks guys. I am honored to have them

[Weweslburg]

that´s my opinion.... and I am not the guy who permanently cries FAKE

[Jeremy]

Yeah Weweslburg, in contrast you are the guy who makes moronic statements about "typical Africa period Rommels" and document typescripts.... Because you have little idea what is fake or not.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=785052

[max history]

I like them.
Max.

[Weweslburg]

Max and Jeremy...... you "really" will claim that these signaturs on the Dollar bill are authentic ??? NONE of them is authentic ! Neither the "Albert" nor the "Speer" has anything to do with a Speer signature. The Dönitz is a joke and the Heß - especially the letter "R" has absolute nothing to do with Heß´s signatures. The whole Heß is fake ! Frank......ridiculous, Streicher....even more ridiculous and with misspelling !!!! You first should learn to read German and than give an opinion to a signature ! OH, it is of course possible that Streicher was drunken and therefore he misspelled his own name.......

And NO, I will NOT download any "authentic" signatures by these persons just to prove my opinion. I am bored to have eternal discussion with you Jeremy. You have your opinion and I have mine and I say that these signatures oin the Dollar bill are - even lousy - fakes !

[Jeremy]

Erh

Erh, I passed no comment on the signatures... Read posts properly before you start ranting...

[max history]

Max and Jeremy...... you "really" will claim that these signaturs on the Dollar bill are authentic ??? NONE of them is authentic ! Neither the "Albert" nor the "Speer" has anything to do with a Speer signature. The Dönitz is a joke and the Heß - especially the letter "R" has absolute nothing to do with Heß´s signatures. The whole Heß is fake ! Frank......ridiculous, Streicher....even more ridiculous and with misspelling !!!! You first should learn to read German and than give an opinion to a signature ! OH, it is of course possible that Streicher was drunken and therefore he misspelled his own name.......

And NO, I will NOT download any "authentic" signatures by these persons just to prove my opinion. I am bored to have eternal discussion with you Jeremy. You have your opinion and I have mine and I say that these signatures oin the Dollar bill are - even lousy - fakes !

I am sorry, but I disagree with you. I have seen plenty of authentic Nuremberg signatures over many years, also written on dollar bills just like these. Quite often the money in their pockets was all the guards had to write on. They were authenticated by real autograph experts like Charles Hamilton, far more qualified than the likes of you or I. These could even be some of those to which I refer and they have the air of authenticity. Other than a few minor variations which are quite normal in the circumstances, I hear no major alarm bells. Hess was an ill man at Nuremberg; Streicher's name is not misspelled - it's just his handwriting (seen it written like that before); Frank had three different signatures at Nuremberg that I know of; etc.. Not everyone signed their names with the text book examples accepted today as standard. I suppose you and I will just have to agree to disagree.

[Weweslburg]

May be that you have seen a plenty of Nuremberg signaturs, but this has nothing to do with these shown signatures on the bill here. Max, especially you should definitely recognize that these signatures are fakes. Heß wasn´t a sick man, he even admitted later that his insanity and sickness was just a role he played. I know Heß´s signatures very well and he always - without exception - wrote a same letter "R" and NEVER a "R" as shown on the bill. It is not only the Heß, but all signatures. Speer NEVER wrote such an "A" and "b"- NEVER ! Further, his "b" was always "below" the "l". The word "Speer" on the bill even does not read Speer. There is an "e" and then a letter who looks like an "i"...that´s all ! Did Speer forget his full name, written with two "ee´s" ??? The "R2 of the Raeder is a joke anyway and almost similar to the "faked "R" of the Heß. The "J2 of the Jodl is also wrong, because Jodl has a very special "J". THIS "J" on the bill is NOT by Jodl !
The Keitel "K" is also totally different and you should know this also. And of course the Dönitz :-) I have two photo albums filled with pre and post war Dönitz photos as well as many,many Dönitz signatures. NO single signature looks like this funny one on the bill.

I am a German and so I "perfectly" know German handwriting and style which is totally different to a US handwriting. If one signature fails - OK, but here we have several wrong signatures with wrong German style of writing and even signatures where the defendants obviously forgot to write down its own names correctly.

I am sorry, but I disagree with you. I have seen plenty of Nuremberg signatures over many years, written on dollar bills just like these. They were authenticated by real autograph experts like Charles Hamilton, far more qualified than the likes of you or I. These could even be those to which I refer and they have the air of authenticity. Other than minor variations which are quite normal in the circumstances, I hear no major alarm bells. Hess was an ill man at Nuremberg; Frank had three different signatures at Nuremberg that I know of; etc.. Not everyone signed their names with the text book accepted examples accepted today as standard. I suppose you and I will just have to agree to disagree.

[max history]

By the way, I forgot to mention.......
I once owned a three page handwritten document prepared by Streicher at Nuremberg for his attorney. It had exactly the same lettering as in his signature shown here. No misspellings, just his way of writing certain letters.

[max history]

With respect, you are speaking as a naive autograph collector. To say something like "so-and-so NEVER wrote his letters like that" is totally misguided. There are also simple explanations for your other points. In my opinion you are mistaken. As I say, we will have to agree to disagree and just let it rest there.

[max history]

...Heß wasn´t a sick man, he even admitted later that his insanity and sickness was just a role he played.

This is a point that requires correcting.
I had the good fortune to discover the person seated next to me at a Hermann Historica auction in their saleroom (then at Maximilianstrasse, Munich) in the late 1980s was none other than Wolf Rüdiger Hess. The family was selling off some of his father’s personal items after his death.
We struck up a conversation and I was able to ask him about his father. He told me that his father had faked amnesia at the Nuremberg trials, but that he was actually suffering from a mental disorder which included suicidal tendencies. This was supported by the medical staff who examined Hess at Nuremberg and post-trial observations of films of the trial. He displayed obvious symptoms of a mental disorder – staring into space for long periods, along with his general behaviour and speech.
It is safe to say, and is now generally accepted by historians, that Rudolf Hess was suffering from a mental illness at Nuremberg, even though he subsequently admitted feigning amnesia. Pretending to have loss of memory is relatively easy to achieve, whereas the other symptoms he displayed are not. Medical opinion also states that it is quite possible for someone who has mental illness to fake the symptoms of another condition. Therefore, to suggest that Hess was not ill, purely because he admitted feigning amnesia, is totally wrong and displays a lack of knowledge of all the facts.

[Jeremy]

Another

http://www.mega.nu/ampp/www.leisureg...nuremberg.html

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/201003A24.html

http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt...db=kat63_r.txt