Anyone know if the sign above the wagon is a Masonic one? Compass, square and two axes. I read some where that Herr Hitler was a Free Mason as was Frederick the Great. Thanks!
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I am not sure what that is but I wonder could it be a mining symbol ?
My understanding is that Freemasonry was viewed wish suspicion in the TR era
Here is a Sept 1936 article about Freemasons :
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Freemasons began using the flower in 1926 as a symbol well known in Germany as message not to forget the poor and desperate. Many other German charities were also using it at this time. In later years, by a handful of Masons, it was a means of recognition in place of the square and compass design. This was done across Nazi occupied Europe to avoid any danger of being singled out and persecuted.<SUP id=cite_ref-6 class=reference>[6]</SUP> Today it is an interchangeable symbol with Freemasonry and some also use the forget-me-not to remember those Masons who were victimized by the Nazi regime.<SUP id=cite_ref-7 class=reference>[7]</SUP> In English Freemasonry it is more commonly now worn to remember those that have died as a symbol that you may be gone but not forgotten.
The above is copied from the internet, and is basically correct. I have been a member of a Masonic Lodge in Germany for 47 years. In our Lodge in Kaiserslautern, each new member is given a small blue Forget-Me-Not flower on a lapel pin, in memory of German Freemasons who used the small pin as a means to identify themselves to each other, during the Third Reich era. I still have mine.Don BibleComment
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This Symbols have to do with the" Zimmerer Innung" englisch Carpenters guild the are Peoples who work with Wood and make manly the Roofs of HousesComment
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Thank you Don Bible and Mil-Archive. Here is an article that I read recently on the Masonic presence in TR Germany:
by David Richards
In Mein Kampf, Hitler said Freemasonry had "succumbed" to the Jews and was an "excellent instrument" to entice the upper classes into their agenda.
After the Nazis rose to power, Hitler outlawed Freemasonry and shut down many lodges. Many Brethren were arrested and sent to the concentration camps. The stolen items from Lodges were used to create anti-Masonic exhibitions across Germany, designed to create fear and hostility towards the fraternity.
Freemasons were also executed, and their property stolen in countries invaded and occupied by the Nazi's (Norway, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France, Poland, Hungary, Greece etc). Historians tell us that at least 80,000 masons were murdered across Europe.
However, in reality Hitler's anti-Masonic policy was very selective.
The Nazis only persecuted fringe lodges associated with the Communists. Mainstream German Freemasonry, which was allied with American and British masonry, was exempted. This because Hitler himself secretly was aligned with them. Indeed he was their agent.
A 1997 edition of the Freemasonic journal Philalthes featured an article titled 'German Freemasonry and Its Attitudes Toward The Nazi Regime', that reveals the demographics of the Fraternity in 1930s Germany.
'Several Masonic spiritual families existed side by side in Germany, [and] were treated differently by the Nazis.'
'About two-thirds of the brethren belonged to the three oldest, always Christian-oriented and at that time strongly nationalistic Grand Lodges founded in the 18th century which were called 'Old Prussian' because they were founded and had their seats in Berlin. They never initiated 'non Christians', that is, Jews.'
This faction was Pro-Nazi. It contained the captains of industry, commerce and finance, Royalty and leading citizens who backed Hitler. Many of these men were high-ranking members of the Nazi Party.
These lodges were not persecuted, but they did have to make a few minor adjustments consistent with anti-Masonic policy. Their Grand Master's sent formal written oaths of allegiance to Hitler and they removed Hebraic wording from their rituals.
They united and called themselves 'The Frederick the Great Association'. The Prussian King Frederick the Great (1712-1786) was a nationalist symbol in Nazi propaganda. However, he was also the founder and patron of 'regular' Freemasonry in Germany!
JEWISH FREEMASONRY
The Nazis liquidated the fringe lodges that allowed Jews to be initiated.
'During the 19th century, five more German Grand Lodges were founded and a further one in 1924. They were called 'humanitarian' and initiated men of any religious denomination.'
They espoused liberal and internationalist politics. They were allied with the Communists: Hitler shut them down.
The Prussian alliance refused to recognize these lodges.
'In 1922, the Old Prussian Grand Lodges decided to withdraw from the German Grand Lodges' Alliance founded in 1872, explaining: 'There is a border which strongly differentiates humanitarian from Old Prussian national Freemasonry. We, the three Old Prussian Grand Lodges refuse to take part in the general humanitarian fraternization movement between people in the world.'
Essentially, the large and powerful lodges in Germany united to eliminate their much smaller neighbors. So, rather than being an attack on the Fraternity as a whole, Hitler's anti-Masonic policy was really contrived Masonic in-fighting!
The Prussian Lodges were the only German Lodges recognized by British and American Freemasonry.
They share a common history. Prussian King Frederick the Great played an important role in the creation of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. Official Masonic history records:
"The Scottish Rite had its beginning in France, when in 1754, the Chevalier de Bonneville established in Paris, a chapter of twenty-five so-called High Degrees which, including the three symbolic Degrees, these High Degrees were called the Rite of Perfection.
In 1758 these Degrees were taken to Berlin and placed under a body called the Council of Emperors of the East and West, and in 1762 Frederick the Great of Prussia became the head of the Rite and promulgated what is known as the Constitution of 1762. In 1786 a reorganization took place in which eight Degrees were added to the twenty-five, and the name changed to the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry."
The Prussian Lodges were what tied the Western powers to Nazi Germany. This is why Freemasons like Henry Ford aided Hitler.
The lodges had particularly strong ties with the Prussian Royal family in Britain. It is well known that the British Royals were Nazi sympathizers, for instance, all four of Prince Philip's sisters married high-ranking Nazis.Last edited by BlackWatch1; 03-12-2015, 08:11 PM.Comment
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Who knows anything, dosent say anything AND
Who says anithing, dosent know anything
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As Wolfsblut told us it is the Frankfurt carpenter's coat of arms like this one
http://www.zimmererinnung-ffo.de/ima...00d9ee0a_1.jpg
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Thank you again Gerdan
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Henry Ford liked and aided Hitler for a very personal reason (and which is considered the main reason by most historians): he was an avowed anti-Semite.Originally posted by BlackWatch1 View Post
As for all the above info I deleted, it is very interesting.
I might have to go into my private library area dealing with history of the aristocratic-centric exclusive and pro manarchial freemasonry and the ones that were the first institutions to accept Jews into the fold anywhere in Europe(a huge step historically) , and the real fringe masonry-which was way more okkult and usually not recognized. My books talk about these 3 main types.Comment
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I have to admit that I know nothing about Free Masonry and the info I posted I personally can't vouch for. Just thought it interesting reading and wanted to share it here for commentaryOriginally posted by Michael Fay View Post
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I doubt that the emblem shown in the picture is Masonic. The trade attribution given by wolfsblut seems more likely.
Regarding the "forget me knot" lapel badge believed to have been openly worn in Germany and occupied countries as a means of covert recognition between masons - is it likely? Were the Gestapo that dim? I think not.
I have a copy of "Freemasonry - Ideology, Organization, and Policy"; published by the NSDAP Central Publishing House (1944) , the content was compiled by the SD and the Gestapo. The foreword to the 1st edition was written by Heydrich, that to the sixth and final edition by Kaltenbrunner. The tone throughout is of implacable hostility to all Masonic activity/organization :
"The world view of National Socialism is Nordic; that of the Freemason is Asiatic-Jewish. The National Socialist position is racially conscious; that of the lodges, multi-racial cosmopolitan internationalism."
Regarding the supposed acceptability of the old Prussian Grand Lodges:
"The old Prussian lodges attempted to disguise themselves through name changes to Christian Orders."
The SD record that these lodges were forced to re-adopt their masonic titles and then disolved.Comment
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I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the information given to new members of some (or / all ?) German Masonic lodges with the presentation of the Forget Me Not lapel buttonhole emblems. I can only say I was presented this one by my Lodge in Kaiserslautern, Germany 47 years ago. It is still worn in the lapel of the German topcoat that I placed it in at that time.Don BibleComment
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as Wolfsblut already stated..its the coat of arms for the german carpenter Guild.
the symbol is still in use today and the belt buckle with that coat of arm is probably the most popular item amongst the german carpenters.
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