Rommel Signature, Good or not ?

[Lionel H.]

Hi Guys. This Item is not coming directly from Family, as I usually do. This document was included in a Fotoalbum I have purchased for few times. Rommel Signature is a complicated Matter, so I would like to have so many opinions as possible. Thanks for your Help ! Lionel. </P><p><img src="http://cdn04.trixum.de/upload2/G/4/G45aB9XEqLsQ142151211446P1683.jpg"></p>
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[skalphunter]

good

[Lionel H.]

Thank you Skalphunter !! I appreciate ! More opinions are welcome ! L.

[Weweslburg]

rommel

Original Africa period signature

[Lionel H.]

Really a good new for me ! Thank you very much.

[Jeremy]

Fake factory.

Oh, come on. This is the classic fake factory 'rommel' signature!

See elsewhere for examples on threads on this website.

[Jeremy]

Fake factory:

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5716408

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=488741

(see art postcard posted by DDD777)

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/651058

http://militariarelics.com/german/rk...me-signed/3521

http://militariarelics.com/german/rk...me-signed/2016

http://militariarelics.com/german/rk...me-signed/3789

http://militariarelics.com/german/rk...me-signed/3760

http://www.goldenageautographs.com/h...winrommel.html

https://www.facebook.com/15336149815...type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/15336149815...type=3&theater

http://trishautographs.com/Merchant2...ategory_Code=H

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...ield-238622389

http://www.mullocksauctions.co.uk/lo...el_a_fine.html

http://www.autographenhandlung.de/pr...&cellwidth=700

and on and on and on....

All the same autograph irrespective of material and across time - some with the classic fake factory blank piece of paper signed at bottom or a clipping. It's all crap and all represent the fake factory example that flooded the market along with all the other fakes from the same origin.
J

[crfraser]

Looks like a blank piece if paper signed with extract from photo album added after. Irrespective of signature quality, why would Rommel sign a blank like this? Likely fake.

Colin

[stgeorge64]

Lionel

I personally would not be comfortable with this example.

A simple Google search for 'Rommel Signatures' will unearth a plethora of examples, some of which are undoubtedly original, and many are undoubtedly fake. It is up to you where you place your example among these.

Marseille, Peiper, Wittmann, Rommel, Schnaufer, Dietrich and many others have all recieved the attention of the faker(s) and the market currently has some quite ludicrous single and multi-signed items which have come under scrutiny in the past few years, almost without exception pointing to forgeries.

Consequently, there seems to be very little confidence in items such as this unless there is rock solid providence (I do not include worthless COA's) then doubt will always reign.

Regards Richard.

[Der Texaner]

I'd pass

[Der Texaner]

Oh, come on. This is the classic fake factory 'rommel' signature!

See elsewhere for examples on threads on this website.

Jeremy, I don't doubt you, but how do you know for sure all those linked to are fake? I'd love a Rommel sig, but short of getting it on a document, I don't think I could sleep well at night with it.

[Jeremy]

Ok

OK, I'll prepare something to show they are fake factory crap.

As I have shown in other posts for fake factory material on this forum, the consistency of the signature across the war is laughable when compared to authentic material - see my thread on Schnaufer for an example of this. The fake factory produces one signature for one person across the war - I have not posted on Adalbert Schulz , Luth or Hermann Graf but this is also evident beyond Marseille, Hartmann, Rudel, NGJ sigs.

It seems the fake factory targeted Diamond holders in particular (and Richthofen), cos they were the big money earners when it was still pumping out the sigs (which are still miraculously appearing in groups of 5 when needed for an art print edition).

I spent a lot of time discussing, examining and learning about these fake factory sigs, though others were well-aware of them but got disillusioned by the nae-sayers or by Korlin's threats of legal action. There are disbelievers of course (you can't help those whose beliefs are not based on rational thought), but I do not claim all sigs are fake. I have targeted those which carry the hallmarks of the fake factory. The internet allows us to now gather multiple examples for comparison - that's how Korlin got busted for Marseille fakes, after Haas got involved.

It's almost like the fake factory material has become accepted as 'authentic', particularly by new collectors (but also book authors), primarily due to the quantities available.

J

[Jeremy]

To start

These discussions might help

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=rommel

Note - Weweslburg posts some good Rommel signed docs, but again, as here, is adamant the original document posted to begin the thread is authentic - nope, it is fake factory aka

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=rommel

Note - shown here are fake factory examples (Haas confirms the docs were not typed with WW2 typewriter) plus some good docs. Look at the Rommel with the Marseille - classic fake factory forgery. If you see this type of 'signature' for sale, avoid it...

J

PS Weweslburg - how do you know the one below was signed in the Africa period??

[Lionel H.]

Thank you Guys for your Imput on this Thread. This piece of Paper wearing the signature was included in a Fotoalbum without name and specifical Unit. Then, for me, a bad start.... But I have some good Rommel's signature included in Groups I directly get from Vets or Families, and these Signatures are showing important différences in size and even Lettering (even as an Oberst by the Kriegsschule Postdam 36-38). As this one is not worst than the other I have, really hard for me to have a very clear Opinion about it. As it is not at all in ly collecting area, at the first Glance it would have been something to resale. But as I love avoiding any problems with other collectors, if yiou Guys mean in majority it's fake, and even if you are suspicious, then It will stay in a closed Drawer § thanks again ! L.

[alexanderautogr]

Whenever you buy a "cut" signature or a photo mounted above a signature on a mount of some type...BEWARE! These are the easiest pieces to forge and the most readily saleable.