RARE SS- Anti-Partian Grouping !

[Simon O.]

I would like to see examples of either stamp being used in archive held documents, there should be a good few i would imagine.

[clevischi]

Usually we know the name of the zone (Italy, Russland, etc etc) on german stamps was placed on the lower part.
So I would have no problems to see "in Italien" placed here, I would be probably more suspicious of seeing it on another place.

I'm just curious as TabulaTJ to know some SOLID answers to his questions...

Could be a stupid question...

Why the diference about writing "Russland-Mitte" and "In italien" on the stamps?? Why not "in Russland-Mitte" or just "Italien"?

[Antonio Scapini]

Your question is good, and I asked to myself the same some time ago. I don't know the answer, but I know germans used "In Italien" in various stamps, especially SS, so this is not a problem, but a normal thing.
I post 2 here more.

[Antonio Scapini]

Me and some other guys are still waiting for answers...

Where are now the detractors of this group?


I would say before judge an (IMO) unquestionable and extremely rare group like this, we all should not be so hasty as if we judjed a 5€ piece, and we always should show solid and unquestionable evidences and proofs in support of what we are talking about.


Congrats to the owner.
I have the same doc for a BKA, for another man of the same unit, with Wolff signature.

[mufasa]

.....it is a very interesting discussion .... I add (so we all in the same topic) at the end of this other thread a BKA certificate practically almost same date and other Wolff signature ....


http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...x+simon&page=4

[der-hase-fee]

I would like to see examples of either stamp being used in archive held documents, there should be a good few i would imagine.

There is another difference on these 2: "Der höhere ..." vs "Der höchste ...". Former "higher", latter "highest".

[TabulaTJ]

Still waiting for some fact showing the group is fake! I guess we will have to wait for quite some time...
I wonder what agenda some members have when they just screaming "FAKE" without any evidence. It seems that it happens more often when members showing rare items that is more difficult to find other groups to compere with.

I it would be a good idea that the mods ask for arguments when someone reject items without any legal ground for it. If they can´t they should tell the other members that it is only their "gut" feeling or whatever reason they have for screaming.

In this case several members (and one moderator) have asked the two ones who said the group was fake for more information about why they think so. So far they have come with nothing.

I have some really nice and rare original groups, that I would never show in this forum after this. And I think there are others who do not want to have their groups "destroyed" because there are people with their own agenda who gets a kick when they do like that.

[stefanopanzer]

still waiting for evidence of non-originality of the lot

[Antonio Scapini]

There are no evidences because IMO this group is original. Original, extremely rare and unquestionable.
Stamps, signatures and docs are all ok.

[stefanopanzer]

thanks antonio
a question "but because there are people without the proper preparation waving so hasty judgments, challenged people like me who are struggling to afford so rare documents and be forced to send back the whole lot?
but ....: Banghead:

[arnhem]

Shame

It,s a pity this forum is also being used by people who try to burn down other collectors or dealers items.
Let,s try to detect the fakes and not try to make fakes out of originals.

Nice and original set to me sofar.
Get them Wolffie!

[clevischi]

Sorry to say, but this forum is an open forum - anyone can be a member.

If its open to anyone, it means that anyone can say their opinions.

So (again talking about opinion) IMHO why attacking others because of what was said?

Kuratorium is a member that has a huge knowledge about documents, a great collection and have gave his opinion and helped a lot of forum members before.

There is now a lot of good arguments that can argue the group is a nice example of originals, so is not better to say about facts and not about people?

Again, is just my opinion.

PS: Thanks to Antonio and Kuratorium, that lost their time to post pictures showing the best way possible their arguments.