Do 17 / Do 217 ID Assistance....

[Hundestaffel]

I just picked up this superb little photo of a shot-down Do 17 (or possibly a Do 217) with it's (camouflaged) fuselage and tail riddled with bullet holes. The markings on the fuselage are 4N+ KL.

Can anyone possibly ID this plane and it's fate ???

Many Thankx...


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[mjfur]

http://www.forums.luftwaffedata.co.u...&view=previous

http://books.google.com/books?id=4iq...n%2Bkl&f=false

[Hundestaffel]

Fantastik !!!!

Many Thankx for this mjfur.....


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[Tom Yanacek]

Hello,

The aircraft is a Dornier Do17P-1 of 3. Staffel (Fern)/Aufklärungsgruppe 22. This would be the 3rd Squadron (long-range) Reconnaissance Group 22. The fuselage code '4N' denotes Aufklärungsgruppe 22 and the letter 'L' denotes the 3rd Staffel. The letter 'K' is the aircraft's individual code within the Staffel.

This aircraft went down during the battle of France on June 5, 1940. Both engines were badly damaged in attacks by S/L More and F/O Kain in Hawker Hurricanes of No.73 Squadron. The aircraft crash-landed near Reims. The crew of three: (pilot) Leutnant Wilhelm Telge; (observer) Feldwebel Walther Rössler; and (flight engineer) Obergefreiter Josef Heims were all unhurt and subsequently captured. Prior to their capture, they fired the aircraft to prevent it from falling into enemy hands.

Looks like the swastika from the tail fin was removed by "souvenir hunters".

Information on this aircraft can be found in:

The Battle of France- Then and Now, by Peter D Cornwell

Best regards,
Tom

[Tom Yanacek]

The pilot of this aircraft, Wilhelm Telge, was killed later in the war in an aerial collision. He ended up flying night fighters and was credited with 12 victories before his death.

Here is his career summary:

Notice his assignment to 3.(F)/Aufklärungsgruppe 22

TELGE, Wilhelm. (DOB: 11.03.18 in Braunschweig). (n.d) in 3.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 22. 15/16.10.42 Oblt. in
4./NJG 1. 26.05.43 Oblt., with 5./NJG 1. 25.06.43 Oblt., in 4./NJG 1. 01.07.43 Oblt., appt Staka
5./NJG 1 (to 01.09.43 - KIA). 23.08.43 Oblt., awarded the Ehrenpokal. 01.09.43 in NJG 1, promo to
Hptm. (Tr.O.). 30.08/01.09.43 Hptm., 5./NJG 1 KIA - Bf 110 G-4 (G9+AN) collided with a bomber SW
of Berlin - crashed between Juchendorf and Beuthen. Buried at Völpke-Badeleben. Credited with 12
victories

The spelling in the link a few posts up is incorrect. The pilot's name was Telge, not Felge. There was no Luftwaffe Officer by the name of Felge in WW2.

Best regards,
Tom

[Hundestaffel]

Great stuff here Tom, and a big Thank You from the DoghouSSe !!!


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[Tom Yanacek]

Wilhelm Telge's record with the German War Graves Commission:

Wilhelm Telge
Wilhelm Telge ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Völpke-Badeleben.
Endgrablage: Block D Reihe 1 Grab 5
Nähere Informationen zu diesem Friedhof erhalten Sie hier.
Name und die persönlichen Daten des Obengenannten sind auch im Gedenkbuch der Kriegsgräberstätte verzeichnet. Sie können gern einen Auszug bei uns bestellen.
Bitte beachten Sie, dass auf einigen Friedhöfen nicht die aktuelle Version ausliegt, somit kann der Name Ihres Angehörigen darin evtl. noch nicht verzeichnet sein.
Nachname:Telge
Vorname:Wilhelm
Geburtsdatum:11.03.1918
Geburtsort:nicht verzeichnet
Todes-/Vermisstendatum:01.09.1943
Todes-/Vermisstenort: nicht verzeichnet

[Hundestaffel]

Really, really appreciate the effort(s) made here guys......at the time of purchase, I sure didn't think that this photo would in anyway whatsoever be associated with the famous RAF Airman "Cobber Kain", the first RAF air ace of the Second World War....


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[SiPo]

It's amazing how many doors of the past are opened by a photograph.

Great pic.

[Hundestaffel]

For those interested, this photo is now for sale here:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=681400


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[Hundestaffel]

This photo has now been sold....


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[Hundestaffel]

Due to the purchaser fading away without paying........this photo is back up for sale:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=682374


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[Hundestaffel]

Through good fortune, was able to obtain two more private and (as far as I know) unpublished photos of this famous 'Cobber' 4N + KL related victory (both of which which will probably not stay in my PawSS too long.......love the angle of the first shot - ....


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[Hundestaffel]

For those interested, the above two photos are for sale here:


http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=686152


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