Flossenburg ss officer help please

[PHILBROWN]

got this single page from the camp, i know about the dr, but has anyone any idea who the signiture is please,it looks to me like ringer/rumger? no idea, id appreciate your help please, thank you

[max history]

This document rings alarm bells. The signature and ink stamp leave me with an uncomfortable feeling. If I were offered it, I would pass it by.
Max.

[kuratorium]

got this single page from the camp, i know about the dr, but has anyone any idea who the signiture is please,it looks to me like ringer/rumger? no idea, id appreciate your help please, thank you

Unfortunately, I don´t know the answer to your question.
But here you go IMHO an interesting comparison:
a similary document (only fragment) which I photographed for my private computer archive directly in Floßenbürg camp during my visit 5 years ago.
Note the small differences...

[PHILBROWN]

THAT WASNT THE QUESTION, I DIDNT ASK THE AUTHENTICITY MAX, i assume the only genuine signiture is those in your own collection? could anyone else kindly please help, thank you

[PHILBROWN]

Unfortunately, I don´t know the answer to your question.
But here you go IMHO an interesting comparison:
a similary document (only fragment) which I photographed for my private computer archive directly in Floßenbürg camp during my visit 5 years ago.
Note the small differences...

very interesting, thank you, if the consensus is thats it is a fake, surely the faker wouldnt add a "g" in the forgery, does look very close, and by one day, same out lay etc, this is actually on the back of a chmische werke munchen ,otto barlocher g,m,b,h form, looks right in hand, and smells the deal, got this from a junk shop in krakau

[Jock Auld]

Unfortunately, I don´t know the answer to your question.
But here you go IMHO an interesting comparison:
a similary document (only fragment) which I photographed for my private computer archive directly in Floßenbürg camp during my visit 5 years ago.
Note the small differences...

What is yours stamped with, is it the same?

Why within the day a switch to a non SS type writer? I suppose it is possible though.

Is the similar document generaly available for people to see?

Phil, do think it is ok, is it from a good source?

The signature is hard to decipher.

Jock

[PHILBROWN]

good points jock, i got it direct from the shop, via a friend who asked for 3rd reich and shown a bunch of old papers,he got the lot ,but this was the only good thing among them, it does feel right,im not too worried as it was a gift, , but i was made up about this, thanks for the reply mate

[kuratorium]

What is yours stamped with, is it the same?

Why within the day a switch to a non SS type writer? I suppose it is possible though.

Is the similar document generaly available for people to see?

Phil, do think it is ok, is it from a good source?

The signature is hard to decipher.

Jock

I always take a photos of original documents during my visits in camps, so that I have enough material for a future comparison. Unfortunately - at that time I took only a fragment photo of the document - I was interested mainly in Lagerarzt signature and date of exposure, so I have not picture of the round stamp.
And yes, the similar document is generaly available for visitors to see.

[Gerdan]

Here is a list of known medicals (Lagerarzt) from KZ Flossenbürg:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategor...ossenb%C3%BCrg

and another list of known KZ medics:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_v...izinverbrechen

Gerdan

[max history]

THAT WASNT THE QUESTION, I DIDNT ASK THE AUTHENTICITY MAX, i assume the only genuine signiture is those in your own collection? could anyone else kindly please help, thank you

I believe my doubts are fortified after seeing the example posted by kuratorium. In my opinion I now believe your (Phil's) example is a copy forgery created by someone who had access to an authentic document. He/she made some errors and totally f*cked up copying the signature.
You asked about the signer of the document and therefore the authenticity is paramount; and no amount of sarcasm about my collection or my opinion changes that.

[PHILBROWN]

I believe my doubts are fortified after seeing the example posted by kuratorium. In my opinion I now believe your (Phil's) example is a copy forgery created by someone who had access to an authentic document. He/she made some errors and totally f*cked up copying the signature.
You asked about the signer of the document and therefore the authenticity is paramount; and no amount of sarcasm about my collection or my opinion changes that.

in hand is everything,,,,,as you know well

[daggers]

I did not know that they did such dokuments partially in English:

...geb. 16.4.14 zu Munich.......

Greetings daggers.

[PHILBROWN]

your right, good hit

[max history]

I did not know that they did such dokuments partially in English:

...geb. 16.4.14 zu Munich.......

Greetings daggers.

Well spotted. As suspected.....a total fake.

[H-U Rudel]

Fake!

1. The Stamp says: Police Commander of Posen (Town in Schlesien) and the document was signed and written in Flossenbürg?

2. born in Munich? - No way, there would be "München".

kind regards

Uli