Signed Himmler promotion document

[drbill]

Can anyone tell me what a nice framed and authenticated signed Himmler
promotion document would be worth retail? There is one for sale locally
along with certificate of authenticity signed by forensic guy from Pawn Stars
and it is archivally framed and matted.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Bill

[max history]

Can anyone tell me what a nice framed and authenticated signed Himmler
promotion document would be worth retail? There is one for sale locally
along with certificate of authenticity signed by forensic guy from Pawn Stars
and it is archivally framed and matted.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Bill

Bill,
It all depends on the document......content, condition, etc.
And I would put too much faith in CoAs, especially presented by a TV star from "Pawn Stars." They are not worth the paper they are written on.
Max.

[alexanderautogr]

The signer of the COA would, believe it or not, go a long way towards determining sight-unseen whether it's good or bad.

[Jeremy]

coa

alexanderautogr,
If I understand you correctly, a CoA from does very little in supporting the authenticity of a document sight-unseen. Frost, Korlin, Detlev Niemmen, this or that UACC member and so on and so on have sold crap with these worthless pieces of paper. It just relieves the seller of any burden of proof. An individual's own research is what counts, not any dealer's/seller's opinion alone.

However, the good thing about a CoA is that you can often use it to pin the the dealer/seller against the wall to get your money back when you 'prove' what they are selling is fake.

[crfraser]

I think "proving" the fake to the delaer's satisfaction is the issue. It can be pretty expensive and often not possible if the deaer decides to resist or disagree.

Colin

[Jeremy]

yep

yeah colin, exactly. there is no burden on the dealer/seller to attempt to authenticate what they sell (or they lie about doing so, aka Frost)... they typically sell what they want with a worthless CoA, and then if you try to return material down the track as you get new info you need to produce sufficient weight of evidence ie whatever the seller accepts, but which is usually ignored or contested.

[alexanderautogr]

Actually, what is most important is the following:

a.) The seller's terms of sale. Does he guarantee the material? If so, for how long? Is this in spite of the COA, or does his guarantee "pan off" (no pun intended) responsibility on the issuer of the COA as the final arbiter of authenticity?

b.) Who issued the COA? Does the COA state that the seller and/or issuer of the COA guarantee the authenticity of the piece? For how long? Under what terms, ie: if there is a dispute, how will it be settled?

In essence, Max's claim is correct. 99% of the COA's out there, no matter who issued them are utterly worthless and those include COAs issued by PSA/DNA and JSA. They simply state an OPINION which is backed by absolutely nothing.

On my wall I proudly display a PSA/DNA COA authenticating a Donitz souvenir surrender. Problem is, they identify the signer as Chester W. Nimitz. But Nimitz, Donitz...it's not backed by one cent of their money!