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    #16
    Interesting photos from Norway, thank you for sharing. But very difficult to see details
    because of the enormous red circles, lines are a better way to protect your photos, and at the same time show whats on them...

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      #17
      Is there any info about your man being member of a WSS unit?
      Seems to me he was a Policeman with SS membership.
      Anyway, as far as I know conic fez are said to had been worn by Kama members only, Handschar had the regular ones and the few pictures related to the Skanderbeg are showing a large use of M43-style muetzen and Albanian skull-caps.

      Not sure what the man with the MP40, just not sharp enough, maybe croatian Ustase? Collar tabs looks like Ustase, uniform looks italians, so they may well be Montenegrins or Albanians Beli-kombetar.
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        #18
        Wow!!!

        Very rare photos. Congrats, If i had these, it would have been like winning the lottery for me.

        I wouldnt be surprised if you recieved some PMs already.

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          #19
          Originally posted by TrondK View Post
          Wow!!!

          Very rare photos. Congrats, If i had these, it would have been like winning the lottery for me.

          I wouldnt be surprised if you recieved some PMs already.
          Hello Trondk and other norwegian collectors

          Can you help me please with this person, who is it? Was he a norwegian politican or so? What is there written
          <p><img src="http://cdn03.trixum.de/upload2/d/y/dyihZUHYI8tK135658925401P7107.jpg"></p>


          Can anyone say something about the Hirden police?
          Best Buckeru

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            #20
            Well, that's Quisling!

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              #21
              Originally posted by Buckeru View Post
              Hello Trondk and other norwegian collectors

              Can you help me please with this person, who is it? Was he a norwegian politican or so? What is there written
              <p><img src="http://cdn03.trixum.de/upload2/d/y/dyihZUHYI8tK135658925401P7107.jpg"></p>


              Can anyone say something about the Hirden police?
              Best Buckeru
              Buckeru

              That was the leader of the NS party here, Vidkun Quisling. The MinisterPresident during the war years, he was shot after the war. The text says "Heil og Sæl" and his name- Quisling. The national socialist greeting during the war years. The photo is dated a couple of days before he became the Ministerpresident on the 01.feb.1942.

              I have not studied the Hird or the Norwegian police, but the "Hird" was more or less the Norwegian SA, they were the brownshirts of the "Nasjonal Samling" party. "NS".- and some of the national police was collaborating with the German occupants.
              I cant believe you have these photos. they are truly rare, because alot of evidence where burned quickly after may 45 so no one could be punished for working with the occupants.


              I would love to have this wonderful treasure in my collection!

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                #22
                photos

                hello buckeru
                FANTASTIC!!
                thank for showing this wonderful lot of history!
                best regards
                patrick

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                  #23
                  WOW !!!!!!!

                  These photos are MIND BLOWING !!!

                  You should release them as A book

                  this is some amazing documentation of one of the most momentous periods in history in the clearest photos I have seen thus far !

                  were did you come across this amazing album???


                  l

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                    #24
                    A simply outstanding photo collection! Thank you for showing it.

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                      #25
                      Hello

                      here is another picture from bendl with this rare KAMA feze..

                      It seems that he saw action together with KAMA troops. If he borrowed the feze or if it is his own??? Who knows.

                      best Buckeru
                      [IMG]<p><img src="http://cdn01.trixum.de/upload2/r/m/rmycW07q9Iji135663316739P7107.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://cdn01.trixum.de/upload2/h/L/hLSDPEobjqBA135663317467P7107.jpg"></p>[/IMG]

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                        #26
                        Very rare pictures.
                        Thanks for sharing.
                        Regards.
                        RAPH

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Buckeru View Post
                          Hello

                          here is another picture from bendl with this rare KAMA feze..

                          It seems that he saw action together with KAMA troops. If he borrowed the feze or if it is his own??? Who knows.

                          best Buckeru
                          [IMG]<p><img src="http://cdn01.trixum.de/upload2/r/m/rmycW07q9Iji135663316739P7107.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://cdn01.trixum.de/upload2/h/L/hLSDPEobjqBA135663317467P7107.jpg"></p>[/IMG]
                          Guys, are you sure you are not talking about SS "Skanderbeg" (Albanian) division instead of "Kama"? As far as I know, SS "Kama" division consisted mostly of Bosniaks and did not see action except for a short period in Vojvodina in late 1944. They wore similar fezzes like "Handschar" soldiers did. Meanwhile, SS "Skanderbeg" consisted of Albanians who traditionally wear the similar type of this "conic fez", albeit white.

                          By the way, excellent photos!


                          Insignia

                          The division arm patch consisted of a black double-headed eagle on a red background. The recruits wore the white traditional Albanian highlander cap (qeleshe), and later the SS issued grey headgear in the same style, with the Totenkopf sewn on the front. And a collar tab with the Skanderbeg helmet[citation neede

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wa...Skanderbeg.jpg

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                            #28
                            Hello VID,

                            I've never seen pictures of Skanderbeg wearing conic fezes with SS insignas, have you seen any?
                            I've seen just a coupld of Kama and Handschar (very likely former Kama) wearing them.
                            As said the only pictures of the albanians enlisted into Skanderberg show a large use of M41 tarnumutze and albanian traditional skull-caps.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by T.K. View Post
                              Hello VID,

                              I've never seen pictures of Skanderbeg wearing conic fezes with SS insignas, have you seen any?
                              I've seen just a coupld of Kama and Handschar (very likely former Kama) wearing them.
                              As said the only pictures of the albanians enlisted into Skanderberg show a large use of M41 tarnumutze and albanian traditional skull-caps.
                              Hey Tom, you might have the advantage then in this regard and I might have to apologize to you and OP for the unnecessary confusion. I admit I had never seen a Skanderbeg units wearing these conic fezzes on the actual photos but it is easy to find that they were supposed to be equipped as such. In fact, I only saw several photos of Handschar soldiers with conical fezzes (one is that famous one on the horses and is kept in Slovenian museum, I think another one is by officer Sommerer who had several Albanians in his squad). Having said that, I only recall seeing one or two Kama photos and they wore fezzes identical to Handschar. Do you or anyone else have some more photos involving conical fezzes available?

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                                #30
                                Hello VID, no need to apologize my friend.
                                Just trying to sort this out...

                                Best

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