The building in Dahlem

[Filip]

Ok guys, do you think the building on the first photo and the others is one and the same?

[Filip]

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[randy@treadways]

Heilig-Geist-Spital in Nürnberg.

This is what it looked like before it was rebuilt after the war.

[Mil-Archive]

Here is another shot of it :

[randy@treadways]

I think the ones with the tower in the center section, are post-war. That is how it appears today.

[Larrister]

Another from one of my albums, taken from the same spot in 1935.

Larry

[Mil-Archive]

I think the ones with the tower in the center section, are post-war. That is how it appears today.

That's possible, the one I posted came from a photo collection belonging to a HJ member, it included Reichsparteitag Nurnberg, but the collection also included post-war (imprisonment) pictures and this (with Turret picture) could be from that later period.

[randy@treadways]

It was reconstructed with the added turret between 1951 and 1953.

[Br. James]

The ancient city center of Nuremberg was devastated by Allied bombing during the war and much of what one sees there today is the result of a massive post-war effort to rebuild the medieval town as it was. I would venture a guess that the bridge-building in your photos was rebuilt to the specifications of its original or an earlier design, which must have included the tall bay-section and its tower. As with medieval churches that were originally built with tall spires reaching heavenward...and which over time and deferred maintenance, found that their spires collapsed into the church nave proper...it may have been that this bridge-building tower may have lost its elegant spire-roof through fire or some other natural occurrence, and the charming building seen during the Reichsparteitage of the 1930s was the result of an earlier modification or renovation to the structure.

BTW, the building in these photos is the Heilig Geist Spital, a hospital in the Middle Ages and now a restaurant sitting atop the picturesque river Pegnitz.

Br. James

[Filip]

It was reconstructed with the added turret between 1951 and 1953.

That is very interesting if true. The photo on very top is from my collection. It's ripped out of a photo album and printed on UV negative period LEONAR paper !

[Filip]

This is taken out of Wikipedia and I believe it talks about the reconstruction of the building between 1938-39. If a German speaker could translate this that would be helpful.

Nach der Machtergreifung der NSDAP sollte Nürnbergs „altdeutscher“ architektonischer Charakter verstärkt und die Spuren des Historismus beseitigt werden. In diesem Zusammenhang erhielt das Chörlein des Brückentrakts 1938–39 durch den Architekten Julius Lincke nach einer alten Bildvorlage zwei zusätzliche Erkergeschosse und ein spitzes Türmchen.

The is also this picture dated 1730 with the tower on the building.

[Br. James]

My rough vernacular translation of the caption you provided is:

Following the NSDAP's takeover of Nuremberg, the "old German" arctitectural character was reinforced and historical connections were eliminated. In this context, in 1938-39 architect Julius Lincke re-worked the bridge-section after an old illustration which showed two additional bay-projections and a pointed turret.

It would seem that the post-war reconstruction of the Holy Spirit Hospital building was a noble attempt to recreate the original structure.

Br. James

[Filip]

My rough vernacular translation of the caption you provided is:

Following the NSDAP's takeover of Nuremberg, the "old German" arctitectural character was reinforced and historical connections were eliminated. In this context, in 1938-39 architect Julius Lincke re-worked the bridge-section after an old illustration which showed two additional bay-projections and a pointed turret.

It would seem that the post-war reconstruction of the Holy Spirit Hospital building was a noble attempt to recreate the original structure.

Br. James

Thanks for your input
One last question though, how would you date my photo , considering as I've said earlier, it's printed on a period paper?

[Br. James]

At this point we don't know what the hospital building looked like prior to the renovation that took place in 1938-39, so all we can say now is that we know what the building looked like in about 1730, what it looked like during the Third Reich (from your photo), and what it looks like today, following post-war reconstruction in 1951-53. To me, your original photo -- the one that began this thread -- looks like it was taken in the early years of the Third Reich, say 1933-34, when there was a visible effort on the Nazis' part to associate their new banner colors of black/white/red with the Imperial colors of black/white/red, thus giving the impression that there was a sort of a continuity between the old Second Reich and the new Third Reich. That sort of association was gone by the later 1930s when the swastika was the one and only symbol recognized for the Third Reich.

Br. James

[randy@treadways]

At this point we don't know what the hospital building looked like prior to the renovation that took place in 1938-39
Br. James

Yes, we do.... it looked like the 1935 postcard that was posted earlier.

I saw a photo dated 1930, and a photo dated 1920.... and they both look just like the 1935 postcard.

What we are missing is a photo after the 1938-39 addition of the turret, with swastika flags to confirm that it's pre-1945. I'm sure such photos must exist, but they're hard to find. I've come across a couple of postcards postmarked 1940 and 1941, but both use photos of the Heilig-Gheist-Spital that I know were taken in the mid-30's- associated with the Reichsparteitage.

This is an interesting picture--- during the big flood of 1909.