SS Vehicles ID

[Michael73]

Hello
A positive ID needed, please
Thanks in advance
Michael

[Bill Murray]

Hi Michael:

Just quickly, the sedan is a Mercedes most likely a 170 model.
The truck is a Buessing Nag most likely a 4500 model.
Bill

[isaluke]

1. SS-Panzer-Division Leibstandarte-SS Adolf Hitler LSSAH

is the keys ....at tactical emblem on the car

regards

[SIS 5]

Hi Bill, hi Michael,

this time I don´t agree with You totally. I think it is the Mercedes-Benz type 230, because the type 170 hasn´t a spare wheel on the left side.
And I think, that the Büssing-NAG truck is the type 500, the predecessor of the type 4500.

Regards

Bert

[IchHattEinenKameraden]

That first photograph is stunning, i would enlarge and frame it to hang it on the wall.

[Bill Murray]

You are correct on both vehicles, Bert.
I posted, "quickly" as I have been helping my daughter and three children move to their new home and husband/stepfather some 8 hours away from here.

My daughter, whom I dearly love, has no planning abilities whatsoever and it was a disaster, taking 4 days longer than originally calculated.

So, I was exhausted, in a hurry as I was just leaving when the post appeared and did a bad job. Piss Poor excuse as we say here, but the best I have.

All the Best

Bill

[S Ballantyne]

Vehicle

Hi guys,

Isn't the Mercedes a 320 (W142), as the style of side fender seems to match more than a 230...

A great photo of the LAH in Russia 1941.

Cheers
Steve

[Bill Murray]

Hi Steve:

I rarely debate Benz Identifications as I usually get it wrong.
However, speaking to the front fender/wing/mudguard, the reference photos I have and the book photos I have show a fairly distinct "valence" at the rear of said part of the car.

The photos I have of 320's show no such "valence" but have a very narrow lip.

Just an observation.

Cheers

Bill

[S Ballantyne]

Hi

Hi Bill,

Yes this area is very hard....

I'm not sure I understand your terminology, and which bit you are referring to - I'm probably being very slow.

To me, the front edge of the fender on the 230 is lower to the bumpers, with the 320 more fluted and showing more of a gap between tyres and guard.

This is born out on the Oldtimers website, but maybe he has the wrong end of the stick?

Hmmmmmmm, actually I bought these photos, so will have a closer look when I get them.

Cheer
Steve

[Bill Murray]

Hi Steve:

One is never too old to learn, in this case photo techniques.

I was using as my primary reference "Deutsche Autos 1920-1945 by Werner Oswald.

The photos in the book are mainly what we call here, "Half Tones" meaning they are very dark and a lot of detail is lost.

I found on Google, lots of much better photos of both the 230 and 320 range of cars and I have come more to your conclusion than mine. Not a good excuse, the the 320 has sort of an accent line on the front fender/mudguard that can lead one to think that the fender/mudguard ends at that line with a very dark photo for reference.
In fact, the 320 does have the same "skirt" if that is a better word under that accent line, just as you find on the 230.

However, your observation about where the leading edge of the fender/mudguard ends on a 320 versus a 230 seems to be quite correct. The 230 does in fact almost always go further down towards the bumper than the 320.

I hope I have not confused the matter even further

Cheers
Bill