Opinions needed on Russian Front Award Document

[peterwyndavies]

I would be grateful for opinions on this award document, which I think may be suspect. I attach some pics.
Thanks,
Peter.

[peterwyndavies]

Well the silence is deafening indeed. I realise that there is no ink stamp on this item and wonder if this makes it such an obvious fake that no one wishes to waste their time in commenting on it. I have very little knowledge of TR documents, but think that I may have seen others, apparently genuine items without an ink stamp.
Peter.

[petopoint]

iffy

Hi Peter,

Comparing yours and mine, I can say yours has what looks to be an orig. doc.
but there are no stamps,unit info, and title of the officer who signed off
on it on yours versus mine. It seems incomplete for the "frozen flesh".

Peto at point

[RKC]

'Ost' Medal Document

Peter:

Appearance wise, I see nothing wrong with your "Frozen Meat Order"!

I like to get them with a unit stamp, but sometimes that doesn't happen & yours is one of them. It's nice to know what outfit the guy was in....SS, Army, Luftwaffe, etc. Rank wise on yours, it's either an Army or Luftwaffe piece.

The font (type face), used on the document is pretty well standard & looks to be the proper size used. Layout of the wording & spacing also looks proper. If you have a [Black light] just run it across the paper (not touching), & see if you get any "glowing" from the paper surface.

As I said earlier, it looks good to me & if you want to part with it give me a call....I collect 'OSTMEDAILLE' Award Documents....they are my thing!

Ron

[DDD777]

I call this type of OMs - original but not legal.

[crfraser]

I guess the most obvious factor in its favour would be the value. Why would anyone fake a doc with no stamp, that would immediately raise questions with collectors and which would have nominal value due to the low ranking signature and lack of unit attribution?

Colin

[peterwyndavies]

Thanks Petopoint, Ron, DDD777 and Colin. I have not got a UV light source, but will look into this.
Peter.

[Hank C.]

I guess the most obvious factor in its favour would be the value. Why would anyone fake a doc with no stamp, that would immediately raise questions with collectors and which would have nominal value due to the low ranking signature and lack of unit attribution?

Colin

Because if you can make it for 1 or 2 euro, and sell for 15 to 20 euro, that's a pretty good profit.

That being said, the document in question looks good to me.

Hank

[crfraser]

Because if you can make it for 1 or 2 euro, and sell for 15 to 20 euro, that's a pretty good profit.

That being said, the document in question looks good to me.

Hank

IMO you would need to move a hell of a lot of volume to make that worth while. I am not convinced that's happening. Mos tof the frauds seem to be better stuff. But I am willing to be proved wrong.

Colin

[peterwyndavies]

Thanks Hank and Colin.
Peter.

[Hank C.]

IMO you would need to move a hell of a lot of volume to make that worth while. I am not convinced that's happening. Mos tof the frauds seem to be better stuff. But I am willing to be proved wrong.

Colin

Well, not to drag the thread off topic, but let's say I make 5 of them. I'm out less than 5 to 8 euros, depending how much effort I put into them. I sell them to unsuspecting new collectors through e-bay, gunbroker, e-pier, whatever, for $15 to $20 each. So I rake in $75 to $100 for maybe a couple hours work at home.

I may never get rich, but I'll take $37.50 to $50 an hour any day. Money in pocket, off to the bar.

Mind you, I personally DO NOT do this - but I could see the allure of it.

best
Hank

[crfraser]

I get the math but I still don't buy it as I don't see that much plain crap out there. But I will happily admit I am not an expert. I will remian unconvined but thanks for the post Hank.

Colin

[peterwyndavies]

Thanks Hank and Colin,
Peter.