PHOTO ALBUM rescue personnel Benito Mussolini

[Torpedomaat]

What do you think of the authenticity of this album and other items?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=250974958388

[Torpedomaat]

ADMIRAL GRAF SPEE-PHOTO ALBUM FROM THE ARRIVAL IN ARGENTINA,WITH 87 PICTURES
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=250938566727

[Torpedomaat]

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All photographs in this album belong to a great album from a propaganda ministry deputy of the Third Reich, who died 3 years ago in Argentina. A d elos was Dr. Joseph Goebbels secretaries, his name was Wilfred von Oven, well known for the number of books that I edit as well have written, becoming director of the German newspaper in Buenos Aires, the "Freie Presse"

[Torpedomaat]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=260883509274

Here are 3 pictures that are for sale, which belonged to a collection Tjarks family in Argentina, they were the owners of a very famous German community newspaper in the country, named

Deutsche La Plata Zeitung

[Torpedomaat]

ADMIRAL GRAF SPEE-PHOTO ALBUM VERY INTERESTING FACTS OF URUGUAY WITH 55 PICTURES
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=260892198779

ALBUM BELONGING TO MARTIN VOIGHTLANDER OBERGEFREITER

[Torpedomaat]

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These are 3 pictures that I have for sale that belonged to the collection of Mrs. Elsa Haverich, who was secretary in the 50's, one of the factories that had the famous Dr. Joseph Mengele, while living in Argentina.

[Guillem Marti]

The white ink writings and comments are far modern than the photos. They lack the tilde over the letter "u", usual in the forties to differentiate between that letter and "n", "m", and other multiconsonants.

[Andrew Harris]

What a crap!

#1 - Fake.
#2 - Fake.
#3 - Fake.
#4 - Don't know.
#5 - Fake.
#6 - Don't know.

[dragnet]

Im amazed that such a scam would use photoalbums that have marks from previous photos that have been ripped out

[PBR]

I just hope those are ghost bids, because if they are real, paying 1500$ for a fake album and not even recognize the 3 famous pictures of Mengele glued on it would be a top fail.

[randy@treadways]

What a crap!

#1 - Fake.
#2 - Fake.
#3 - Fake.
#4 - Don't know.
#5 - Fake.
#6 - Don't know.

Andrew (and others)- I'm trying to learn the lingo on this board.
Does 'fake' mean photocopied/reproduced/duplicated, as opposed to
staged with actors pretending they're the original persons?

My interest has been the study of history through images, so staged photos is the most revisionist of all and certainly needs to be weeded out. But I suspect the images of Mengele are not staged, merely reproduced (and even more suspect as far as reproduction are the Capone photos).

[Jeremy]

#3

The photo in #3 is just a copy of a Hoffmann postcard with the edges done up.

[Trebes]

No German native wrote this. Typical foreigner mistakes in it.
So when you read there "Last photo of me ..." it must be fake.

Trebes

[byterock]

Fake in this instance would mean a reproduction/copy of a period photo or in other words a 'photo of a photo' meant to deceive.

A staged photo or nowadays a re-enactor photo is one where they dress up and fake a scene.

Sometimes by fakers for profit or sometimes by others for much sadder reasons (mental health, guilt, denial etc) which I think might be the case here.


Fake can also mean a photo taken out of context a photo of I think the A photo a mutilated 'Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya' was seen in many US news papers in mid 86 captioned as the body of a young Afgan girl murdered by the Soviets. It still appears every once and a while on Jihadest web sites but this time the deed was done by NATO soilders.

[randy@treadways]

Sounds like what's faked are the hand-written captions, and the contextual sense of the way the pictures are presented in an album in a particular sequential order, to mislead a potential buyer as to the album's historical importance.
(to say nothing of any outright lies as to the identity of the original owner of the album).

The album attributed to Erich Priebke (the Mussolini rescue raid) is an interesting question.
It's been said that the German troops arriving in gliders brought with them a film crew and still photographers, because they knew the potential propaganda value. That being the case, the troops themselves were probably discouraged from bringing any of their *own* cameras since weight savings was critical, and additional photo-taking would be redundant.

So.... later if Priebke wanted to put together an album for himself, wouldn't he use the photos made by the accompanying professional photographers? The photos themselves probably aren't unique then.... but maybe it *is* Priebke's own hand-written notes on the album pages... something like a scrapbook.
Would need a handwriting analysis to compare to known Priebke samples I guess.