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Hi Sascha,
First, thanks for your reply... an interesting read from your perspective. Second, I think you should be wary of this idea from Koerlin/Frost that I am in some way working with heroautographs to destroy every other dealer in a fight for number 1 as it is complete bullsh#t. This is Koerlin's/Frost's attempt, along with legal action, to deflect the discussion away from the selling of fake 'wartime' signatures - proven for Marseille so far - from which dealers benefit and collectors obviously do not. I have posted in another thread in response to ralljg52 about the selling of fakes by other dealers (post #21).
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...+signed&page=2
Feel free to contact Her Poser (as I repeatedly say elsewhere in response to this pathetic rumour) if you have trouble understanding what I am saying...
BTW, I could have named a certain dealer responsible for selling the other Marseille proven fake combat report and who has a fake factory Lent (for example) for sale shown in another thread but have not done so... where's the conspiracy there?? Other collectors I know have been told the same conspiracy/legal action line by Koerlin/Frost... if I find something fake on heroautographs I'll be in touch with Herr Poser, for sure, just as I do with other dealers...
Thirdly, it is very likely that every dealer at some stage has dealt in fakes from the fake factory, considering this has been going on for 10 years. This is not to say this is deliberate by them... they made the mistake of taking someone at his word, with no effort to develop their knowledge... dollar signs in their eyes... it is also in these dealers' interests to say everything they sell is authentic, when it is clear to many collectors that it is not so... they are after all trying to make money, and when a dealer is saddled with fakes, he will continue ignore the fakes he is selling and continue to dupe collectors who don't know better... these dealers certainly deserve to be named...
Next, this 'oh, there is always variation in sigs' is another standard bullsh^t line from dealers who just want to sell anything good or bad... Yes, signatures vary.... BUT fake factory signatures do not! look at Hartmann, Rudel, Schnaufer, Lippe, Sayn-Witt, Marseille... and on and on... they all have a forger's style... clear as day... it is not just opinion it is informed opinion... a big difference... I suggest you read the various threads fully to inform yourself of the evident issues before blithely trotting out the standard Koerlin/Frost line...
Also, this is a forum for collectors who are interested in avoiding the mistakes of the past and considering what is fake or not based on more than just opinion or the dealer's say so... I have always said that readers need to make up their own minds about what is posted here in terms of examples of fake and authentic sigs... (don't forget, you posted your NJG fakes with your website address for comment, which you duly got). If collectors don't buy something because they have doubts, then toughsh&t for dealers... some don't want to clean out the fake factory crap from wartime autograph collecting because they want to sell it for profit... if they sell or advertise it, they are up for scrutiny on this forum... same for any collector who posts something for sale in another part of this forum... that anybody would say that it is wrong to name dealers and discuss any fake material they are selling is ridiculous... dealers should stop their whinging and clean up their act!
Lastly, regarding your continuing advertising of the fake material, ignorance of the quality of the material you are the 'middle man' for is not an excuse for advertising fakes... I fail to see how you have shown anything regarding the authenticity of the NJG photos, given you admit you know little about such material... you clearly don't understand the extent of the selling of fake wartime sigs... why not post a link to this discussion of the signed photos you are advertising on your website so collectors can make up their own minds?? Like I said, feel free to justify and keep selling fakes for your 'middle man' cut of cash, but don't expect to avoid commentary here...
Hi Sascha,
First, thanks for your reply... an interesting read from your perspective. Second, I think you should be wary of this idea from Koerlin/Frost that I am in some way working with heroautographs to destroy every other dealer in a fight for number 1 as it is complete bullsh#t. This is Koerlin's/Frost's attempt, along with legal action, to deflect the discussion away from the selling of fake 'wartime' signatures - proven for Marseille so far - from which dealers benefit and collectors obviously do not. I have posted in another thread in response to ralljg52 about the selling of fakes by other dealers (post #21).
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...+signed&page=2
Feel free to contact Her Poser (as I repeatedly say elsewhere in response to this pathetic rumour) if you have trouble understanding what I am saying...
BTW, I could have named a certain dealer responsible for selling the other Marseille proven fake combat report and who has a fake factory Lent (for example) for sale shown in another thread but have not done so... where's the conspiracy there?? Other collectors I know have been told the same conspiracy/legal action line by Koerlin/Frost... if I find something fake on heroautographs I'll be in touch with Herr Poser, for sure, just as I do with other dealers...
Thirdly, it is very likely that every dealer at some stage has dealt in fakes from the fake factory, considering this has been going on for 10 years. This is not to say this is deliberate by them... they made the mistake of taking someone at his word, with no effort to develop their knowledge... dollar signs in their eyes... it is also in these dealers' interests to say everything they sell is authentic, when it is clear to many collectors that it is not so... they are after all trying to make money, and when a dealer is saddled with fakes, he will continue ignore the fakes he is selling and continue to dupe collectors who don't know better... these dealers certainly deserve to be named...
Next, this 'oh, there is always variation in sigs' is another standard bullsh^t line from dealers who just want to sell anything good or bad... Yes, signatures vary.... BUT fake factory signatures do not! look at Hartmann, Rudel, Schnaufer, Lippe, Sayn-Witt, Marseille... and on and on... they all have a forger's style... clear as day... it is not just opinion it is informed opinion... a big difference... I suggest you read the various threads fully to inform yourself of the evident issues before blithely trotting out the standard Koerlin/Frost line...
Also, this is a forum for collectors who are interested in avoiding the mistakes of the past and considering what is fake or not based on more than just opinion or the dealer's say so... I have always said that readers need to make up their own minds about what is posted here in terms of examples of fake and authentic sigs... (don't forget, you posted your NJG fakes with your website address for comment, which you duly got). If collectors don't buy something because they have doubts, then toughsh&t for dealers... some don't want to clean out the fake factory crap from wartime autograph collecting because they want to sell it for profit... if they sell or advertise it, they are up for scrutiny on this forum... same for any collector who posts something for sale in another part of this forum... that anybody would say that it is wrong to name dealers and discuss any fake material they are selling is ridiculous... dealers should stop their whinging and clean up their act!
Lastly, regarding your continuing advertising of the fake material, ignorance of the quality of the material you are the 'middle man' for is not an excuse for advertising fakes... I fail to see how you have shown anything regarding the authenticity of the NJG photos, given you admit you know little about such material... you clearly don't understand the extent of the selling of fake wartime sigs... why not post a link to this discussion of the signed photos you are advertising on your website so collectors can make up their own minds?? Like I said, feel free to justify and keep selling fakes for your 'middle man' cut of cash, but don't expect to avoid commentary here...
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