What values more - a wartime signed photo of a SS KC Winner or a wartime signed doc.?

[Oberbootsmann]

Hello. I have a private discussion going on with a collector friend of mine. We don't agree on what's more valuable - a wartime signed photo of Joachim Peiper or a wartime signed document signed by him?

Regards

[leib1]

depends on what the document was ?

[Simon O.]

It has to be the document because you have the value of the signature plus the value of the document.

The only way a photo can be worth more is if it's a private photo with a hand written dedication.

[WEISNER]

Simon is right on, a document or order that has gone through channels, was stamped and signed would be much more desirable to me! also it is more likely the document would be one of a kind, where a signed RK photo would be one of a hundred or more out there.
Happy Hunting!
Kevin

[Oberbootsmann]

It has to be the document because you have the value of the signature plus the value of the document.

The only way a photo can be worth more is if it's a private photo with a hand written dedication.

That reflects exactly what I am thinking.
Thanks for your postings.

Btw., we were talking about the following document:


Regards

[frankandfrank]

I saw this fake in militaria321 ! Sold for 790 Euro - 1.100 US $ !

[Oberbootsmann]

I saw this fake in militaria321 ! Sold for 790 Euro - 1.100 US $ !

IMO it's an original. Would you be so kind and explain why you believe it to be a fake?

Regards

[frankandfrank]

Here is the link:

http://www.militaria321.com/auktions...TOKEN=65729629

[max history]

Ralf is 100% correct. The document is an obvious forgery. The whole piece is a post-war fantasy item. The design of the printed heading is wrong; the actual composition of the letter is wrong; the ink receipt stamp appears wrong (a better scan would confirm or not); the signature has numerous flaws; the Eicke initial has flaws; handwriting, signature and initial appear to be written by the same hand and in the same ink by the same pen.
Max.

[frankandfrank]

Ralf is 100% correct. The document is an obvious forgery. The whole piece is a post-war fantasy item. The design of the printed heading is wrong; the actual composition of the letter is wrong; the ink receipt stamp appears wrong (a better scan would confirm or not); the signature has numerous flaws; the Eicke initial has flaws; handwriting, signature and initial appear to be written by the same hand and in the same ink by the same pen.
Max.

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[DDD777]

i saw this fake in militaria321 ! Sold for 790 euro - 1.100 us $ !

+1

[frankandfrank]

In the Imperial War Museum in London fakes also!!

[DDD777]

In the National History Museum of WW2 in Kiev fakes more than originals!

[Jeremy]

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Oberbootsmann, why not explain why you think it is an original doc and sig instead?

Here is a Peiper for comparison...

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=peiper&page=2

[Vet44]

A simple photo without signature of peiper is gone for some hundrets of euro.
The other Photo with signature of peiper is gone for more than 1500€.
Here the Photo without sign.
http://www.militaria-depot.de/highli...en-peiper.html

Cheers Andi