FJ EK Citation On E-Stand - Questions.

[hucks216]

Hello all,
Just thought that I'd ask opinions on this EK citation that is listed on the E-Stand... http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=538516

Firstly, a Wehrkreis level issue but it doesn't mention the name of the Wehrkreis commanding General, either in name or a facsimile signature, for which the Leutnant is supposedly countersigning (Fur die Richtigkeit - certification of accuracy used with signatures).
Secondly, the location is O.U. (Ortsunterkunft) With the Wehrkreis level issued citations I have in my collection this has a city as the location rather then a designation for a temporary HQ.
And thirdly the FpNr doesn't seem to match - and would a Wehrkreis use such a stamp rather then one stating the Wehrkreis? The FpNr in the stamp seems to be either 66433, 66453, 65433, 65453 or 56433 - none of which tally...

66433 - (23.4.1944-24.11.1944) 15.11.1944 Stab II u. 5.-8. Kompanie Grenadier-Regiment 331.

66453 - (25.11.1944-8.5.1945) 16.1.1945 Sanitäts-Kompanie u. Kranken-Kraftwagen-Zug französische Brigade der Waffen-SS.

65433 - keine Zuteilung.

65453 - (23.4.1944-24.11.1944) 6.11.1944 Feldzeug-Kompanie 362.


56433 - (12.3.1943-7.9.1943) 6. Kompanie Landesschützen-Bataillon Niederlande,
(23.4.1944-24.11.1944) 30.6.1944 Kradmelde-Kompanie Niederlande.

[Jon. H]

Well spotted my friend !

Can't comment on the document itself, but i do not like the signature. Looks like the style that appears on fake documents.

[JUNGCO]

All Huck's points are valid.
Jeff

[Simon O.]

Good valid points Kevin

These Wk.X docs crop up in fakes, i wouldn't say often, but regularly.

it's also been brought up on AHF


http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...f=83&p=1624255

[Floris]

I have no problems at all when items that I have for sale will be discussed here.
I prefer selling good items instead of fakes and I also like to learn from others.

A while ago I bought the item from an German dealer.
When having it at home I could find much info about it and decided to sell it again.
I didn't see the points Kevin noticed before because when having it in hands it didn't feel bad at all.

But at the otherhand I have seen and have in my collection documents wich aren't textbook but wich are 100% good.

Simon, I really like to see (if possible) an example of the fakes you are talking about.
And could it be that the person on AHF is the same as on the WAF?

[hucks216]

Simon, I really like to see (if possible) an example of the fakes you are talking about.

There is another example here in this Fake Documents thread...

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=360767

[Floris]

I just compared this document with three other Ek2 award documents I have and I must admit that this one doesn't feel that good besides the other ones.
So, I also decided to remove the sales thread.
Sorry Folks for bringing up an bad item here.

Floris

[Hundestaffel]

The market has been flooded as of late with these fake EK documents...

Here's one done with the same typewriter, same signer:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=539066


"Hundestaffel"