ϟϟ portrait on "Tellko" photo paper

[Andrew Harris]

Hello, guys.

For me this portrait is 100% fake...

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I will appreciate for your thoughts about the originality of this portrait.

P.S. I swear I saw this portrait before but can't remember where...

Thanks in advance!

[Mogdala]

I remember seeing it before with another kind of paper.

[Mil-Archive]

'Tellko' Paper is a new one on me - have never seen wartime pictures on that one. That picture feels familiar - but I can't say for sure if I have seen it before.

[Tommy]

Hi

The Photo is not so clear good in contrast etc. some dust points on the portrait to see. In the atilier the photographer has do the best that the photo is clear and no dust points to see. I think and i read it by some photo Forum that the paper is after war.

The motiv is perhaps often to see.. here a link that you see that other copys on this paper give..

Cheers tommy

http://www.militaria-fundforum.info/....php?p=1894036

[PzV]

I agree, and have never seen to my recollection a portrait with this paper brand.

[Edgar Alcidi]

Tellko was a Swiss company and was for sure on the market during the war as Ferrania in Italy for example. People use to say that it is a fake (maybe for lack of evidences or else), honestly I do not know. I had this papers in my hands in the past and it looks fine under a UV point of view.

[Andrew Harris]

Tellko was a Swiss company and was for sure on the market during the war as Ferrania in Italy for example. People use to say that it is a fake (maybe for lack of evidences or else), honestly I do not know. I had this papers in my hands in the past and it looks fine under a UV point of view.

Yes, but only under UV point of view (all of us know that UV test is not 100% proof of the originality, it only says that the paper was made till -60's). I haven't seen simple portraits (not ϟϟ or FJ) on this kind of paper. Also I'm trying to find when the company was founded, but there is no such info...

I want to put an end to this issue (Tellko photo paper) and understand if there was originals on this kind of paper...

[Edgar Alcidi]

Yes, but only under UV point of view (all of us know that UV test is not 100% proof of the originality, it only says that the paper was made till -60's). I haven't seen simple portraits (not ϟϟ or FJ) on this kind of paper. Also I'm trying to find when the company was founded, but there is no such info...

I want to put an end to this issue (Tellko photo paper) and understand if there was originals on this kind of paper...

exactly. It was basically what I meant. I cannot find any details of it, but this article confirm that the company existed during ww2.

Wenn sich heute die jüngste Generation kaum mehr an Diafilme erinnert, wie soll sie denn wissen, dass solche ehemals auch in der Schweiz, in Fribourg, hergestellt wurden? Filmhistoriker Gert Koshofer hat die Geschichte recherchiert und berichtet von eigenen Erfahrungen.

Fribourg 1946: Ein 46jähriger Mann stieg mit dem Modell einer kleinen Maschine unter dem Arm von seinem Chalet in der «Impasse de la Butte» hinunter zur Tellko SA in der Rue de l’ Industrie. Er hatte im Keller seines Chalets eine Versuchsbegiessmaschine gebaut und wollte den Direktoren der Tellko beweisen, dass es möglich wäre, auch Colorpapier zu produzieren. Dieses kleine Unternehmen war vor nunmehr 75 Jahren, 1935, von drei Italienern in Fribourg gegründet worden und hatte bisher nur respektable Schwarzweiss-Fotomaterialien hergestellt.

[Andrew Harris]

exactly. It was basically what I meant. I cannot find any details of it, but this article confirm that the company existed during ww2.

Wenn sich heute die jüngste Generation kaum mehr an Diafilme erinnert, wie soll sie denn wissen, dass solche ehemals auch in der Schweiz, in Fribourg, hergestellt wurden? Filmhistoriker Gert Koshofer hat die Geschichte recherchiert und berichtet von eigenen Erfahrungen.

Fribourg 1946: Ein 46jähriger Mann stieg mit dem Modell einer kleinen Maschine unter dem Arm von seinem Chalet in der «Impasse de la Butte» hinunter zur Tellko SA in der Rue de l’ Industrie. Er hatte im Keller seines Chalets eine Versuchsbegiessmaschine gebaut und wollte den Direktoren der Tellko beweisen, dass es möglich wäre, auch Colorpapier zu produzieren. Dieses kleine Unternehmen war vor nunmehr 75 Jahren, 1935, von drei Italienern in Fribourg gegründet worden und hatte bisher nur respektable Schwarzweiss-Fotomaterialien hergestellt.

Yes, I also found this article and some more, but it's not what I'm searching... As well I found the price list - maybe there I will find smth. interesting...

[Edgar Alcidi]

Yes, I also found this article and some more, but it's not what I'm searching... As well I found the price list - maybe there I will find smth. interesting...

keep looking, maybe we will find something interesting sooner or later

[Edward]

Going back 30+ years ago I never came across a Telko. This was back when I was a serious collector of studio picture postcards. Did come across Farrania's though.

[Andrew Harris]

keep looking, maybe we will find something interesting sooner or later

Sven from MFF help me and gave this link: http://www.filmvorfuehrer.de/topic/9...ilmhersteller/

What we can read here about Tellko?

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TELLKO
Tellko, Ag.
Gegründet 1935
Werk in Marly bei Fribourg
1960 von CIBA gekauft: CIBA, Photochimie, S. a.
Prof. Dr. Ammann-Brass
1999 Forschungszentrum in Basel, Schwarzwaldallee 201
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So, it was founded in 1935 and in the 1960 CIBA bought this firm. OK! But, a couple of questions from me:

1. Why most of experienced collectors didn't see any photos with privates (I mean some simple portraits, not ϟϟ or FJ) on this kind of photo paper?

2. Here is the portraits which I saw on it:

a) http://www.militaria-fundforum.info/...ghlight=Tellko
b) http://www.militaria-fundforum.info/...ghlight=Tellko
c) http://www.militaria-fundforum.info/...ghlight=Tellko
d) and one from this thread

Why ONLY these portraits?

P.S. Portrait from the start of the thread was published in the book: Robert Edwards, Michael Pruett "Uniformen deutscher Elite-Panzerverbande 1939-1945"...

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[Edgar Alcidi]

Sven from MFF help me and gave this link: http://www.filmvorfuehrer.de/topic/9...ilmhersteller/

What we can read here about Tellko?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TELLKO
Tellko, Ag.
Gegründet 1935
Werk in Marly bei Fribourg
1960 von CIBA gekauft: CIBA, Photochimie, S. a.
Prof. Dr. Ammann-Brass
1999 Forschungszentrum in Basel, Schwarzwaldallee 201
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So, it was founded in 1935 and in the 1960 CIBA bought this firm. OK! But, a couple of questions from me:

1. Why most of experienced collectors didn't see any photos with privates (I mean some simple portraits, not ϟϟ or FJ) on this kind of photo paper?

2. Here is the portraits which I saw on it:

a) http://www.militaria-fundforum.info/...ghlight=Tellko
b) http://www.militaria-fundforum.info/...ghlight=Tellko
c) http://www.militaria-fundforum.info/...ghlight=Tellko
d) and one from this thread

Why ONLY these portraits?

P.S. Portrait from the start of the thread was published in the book: Robert Edwards, Michael Pruett "Uniformen deutscher Elite-Panzerverbande 1939-1945"...

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and the name of the "owner" says it all....

so probably we should assume that all these are repros...probably the original paper was used in a later stage. This is the only solution in my eyes..

[Edgar Alcidi]

Going back 30+ years ago I never came across a Telko. This was back when I was a serious collector of studio picture postcards. Did come across Farrania's though.

yes, but Germans was "occuping" Italy, for what go to a photograph in Switzerland? Just to make a comparision of course.

[Edward]

yes, but Germans was "occuping" Italy, for what go to a photograph in Switzerland? Just to make a comparision of course.

Good point Edgar.

Will have to go through the photos one day to check on any Telko's. Cannot recall having seen any back then on studio portraits. Those Farrania's I have were all taken in Italian photo studios.