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[Andrew Harris]

Hello, guys.

Five days till the end of the auction... 72.50 €... It's really LOL...

http://www.militaria321.com/auktions...tionID=5905862

I wonder who from this two i*iots and for what price will buy this fake...

[max history]

Andrew,
Have you thought that one or both of them might just be interested in the captured image and are not worried about whether or not the print was made before May 1945? I sometimes buy post-war prints for the image alone and in a couple of cases have paid quite a bit. This one is a great shot of Otto Wächter.
Max.

[Andrew Harris]

Andrew,
Have you thought that one or both of them might just be interested in the captured image and are not worried about whether or not the print was made before May 1945? I sometimes buy post-war prints for the image alone and in a couple of cases have paid quite a bit. This one is a great shot of Otto Wächter.
Max.

No, I don't think so, because for me, if photo is fake - it has no value. Also, it depends how much you pay for this fake...

[lohengrin]

You know this may not be a fake at all... It is a post-war print, it may have been produced from an original negative after WWII... This Agfa paper is post-war, but it does not mean that this is a fake... My grandad lost 80% of all of his photos during the war, but was able to save some original negatives and then his brother made the new photos for him in 1950s... and they are not fakes, as you call them!!

Also, I agree with Max on this one... there are collectors who just like particular image!!

[max history]

Hello, guys.

Five days till the end of the auction... 72.50 €... It's really LOL...

http://www.militaria321.com/auktions...tionID=5905862

I wonder who from this two i*iots and for what price will buy this fake...

No, I don't think so, because for me, if photo is fake - it has no value. Also, it depends how much you pay for this fake...

But surely that is your own opinion and choice. I think to refer to the bidders as idiots is a bit strong and is unjustified. To them, even if it is a post-war print (I agree with Lohengrin....it’s not a fake), it might be worth the money to them for whatever reason.
Max.

[Simon O.]

i agree, it's the image that's important, not the paper it's printed on, nor necessarily when the print was made.

[Andrew Harris]

But surely that is your own opinion and choice. I think to refer to the bidders as idiots is a bit strong and is unjustified. To them, even if it is a post-war print (I agree with Lohengrin....it’s not a fake), it might be worth the money to them for whatever reason.
Max.

Of course it's my own opinion... OK. Let's think like this - I will made some nice fakes like this one and will sell them for crazy prices - nice idea?

[max history]

Of course it's my own opinion... OK. Let's think like this - I will made some nice fakes like this one and will sell them for crazy prices - nice idea?

Well, if you had some good images that I was looking for, I wouldn't care when they were printed, because it's the image I wanted. I've paid a lot of money for post-war photos before (and I know I'm not alone) because I needed the images for various projects, so your example falls to the ground. If you produced, say, a photo of Friedrich Hildebrandt wearing SS uniform, even if it was printed this morning, I'd pay you good money for it. My point is, you don't know WHY the bidders wanted this photo, so to call them idiots is wrong. It's also a matter of opinion of what is a fake photo and what isn't.
Max.

[Thälmannpionier]

I can only echo Max and others...

would a photo developed end 45 or 1946,47,48 and so on.. be fake?! just because of that?! many many german soldiers,officers etc. were still POW during that Time, far away from home and the family developed the film rolls a few years after 1945,because of tough and difficult Times just after the end of WWII...IMO it still are original photos no matter if Agfa Lupex or only Agfa or whatever paper..
fakes from Books etc. are of course a different story..

if for example, the photo from this auction is sold every once a week...I would also call it fake
Andreas

[12thPanzer]

I agree Andreas. There are differences in the word "Original" when pertaining to ww2 photos. An Original photo IMO is one that was printed from the original negative. Even if that photo was printed in 2011. A "Fake" IMO is a photo that is being sold in an attempt to decieve. Take the infamous Russian Archive photos. After the inteded purpose of being an Archive/educational photo, these were being sold as "original" photos, which is in my book is a FAKE. They were not printed from the original negative, and were being sold to decieve.
Obviously as ww2 photo collectors, we try to find original "period wartime" printed images, as they are no doubt worth more monetarily during resale and have a larger historical value. But again, there is nothing wrong with buying a non-original photo when the image itself is something you are after, no matter the price. Is it right to call this buyer an idiot? No...as You dont know what there motives are. And plus, even if it was a Fake, I bet 90% of us who buy a good amount of photos have come across a fake at one time or another.

[Andrew Harris]

More photos from these seller:

http://www.militaria321.com/auktion/...n%40Elite%2CSS
http://www.militaria321.com/auktion/...K%40Elite%2CXX

Also made from negative?

[Gran Sasso]

This one is a great shot of Otto Wächter.
Max.

That is already published in a book...

[Andrew Harris]

That is already published in a book...

WOW! This is very interesting. If it's already published in a book - I have no more doubts about these fakes...

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[Gran Sasso]

WOW! This is very interesting. If it's already published in a book - I have no more doubts about these fakes...

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I posted that foto here a while ago (post 9), taken from that book:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...beretta&page=2

[Lasse L]

WOW! This is very interesting. If it's already published in a book - I have no more doubts about these fakes...

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I agree with Max. For the right pictures, I would be happy to pay good money even if they were developed after the war. Furthermore, just because a photo is published already it does not have to be a copy. I borrowed a photo album from the nephew of an SS officer, a majority of the photographs I have seen in previous publications, but they were nevertheless original - it happened that they developed several copies of the same image and swapped / gave away photographs to their comrades.