Document Grouping CCC Silver, PAB Bronze, Cuff Title Afrika, Sardinienschild - Ok?

[Oberbootsmann]

Hello. Are the documents shown on the following pictures original? I have some doubts as the "Ernst-Günther Baade" signature differs a lot. I've find another document signed by him here and that one's as well different:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/FORU...%FCnther+Baade

Regards

[Oberbootsmann]

I've put them all three next to each other for comparison. Perhaps he's one of the persons who can't sign always with a 100% exact signature.
I can't do it neither and I had to sign every day 50+ times during my 17 year duty in the German Navy.

Regards

[Brian R]

The docs look fine to me. I see your point about the Baade signature, however his signature varied considerably. I have seen numerous variations of his signature and wouldn't be surprised if these were just two more examples. He either couldn't sign with much consistentcy or had some member(s) of his staff sign for him.

[Justin P]

Can we see close up Scan of Signature/Stamp--Minus the Coin) on CCCIS Doc please.

[Angel Farré]

Do you have more documents fromm this soldier?

If so I like to see them.

Thanks

Angel

[Oberbootsmann]

Hello. I'm not the owner but have asked the seller for better scans (stampings, signatures).

Regards

[Oberbootsmann]

Can we see close up Scan of Signature/Stamp--Minus the Coin) on CCCIS Doc please.

Hi Justin, here's the close-up scan.

Regards, Matthias

[Rincewind]

Hello here for comparison a document from my collection with his signature.
I owned so far 4 documents with his signature and all looked like the one i show here. Cant comment on the originality of the shown documents but i really doubt that the signatures are made from Baade himself. Maybe as previous mentioned signed by staffmembers, but was this possible?
BR
Konrad

[Justin P]

Should be Initialled if Signed on his Behalf, As Mentioned in PM to the OP I would be weary of this Silver Document.

[hucks216]

That is an interesting example Konrad as that is the first time I have seen his signature like that. I wonder if, as already mentioned, that is his signature and the others were signed by HQ staff to save him from doing it but to make it look like he did (as opposed to i.v.), or the others are the 'original' Baade and the ones you have are Staff signed variants? I would expect faked versions to have the 'B' looking more like a B rather then how they do on the 2 different styles shown here. I don't have an example of his signature so can't say either way.

[Oberbootsmann]

That is an interesting example Konrad as that is the first time I have seen his signature like that. I wonder if, as already mentioned, that is his signature and the others were signed by HQ staff to save him from doing it but to make it look like he did (as opposed to i.v.), or the others are the 'original' Baade and the ones you have are Staff signed variants? I would expect faked versions to have the 'B' looking more like a B rather then how they do on the 2 different styles shown here. I don't have an example of his signature so can't say either way.

I agree with "hucks" and with the example of "KonradRs" Baade signed document I'll definitely keep hands off from that grouping.
Thanks for all your opinions, gentlemen.

Regards

[Rincewind]

As i mentioned before, i owned 4 documents with his signature signed on different dates but all in 44. They all looked like the one i posted.
Never seen signatures from him which looked like the ones on the group here shown. Sadly i dont have scans from the other 3 which are long gone.
Maybe some others out here have some docs signed by him. Would be interesting.
BR
Konrad

[hucks216]

I've found this example on another forum ( http://www.dokumentenforum.de ) and like the ones at the start to this thread is for a member of Gren.Rgt 200 - I wonder if that has any bearing on the issue?

[Oberbootsmann]

I've found this example on another forum ( http://www.dokumentenforum.de ) and like the ones at the start to this thread is for a member of Gren.Rgt 200 - I wonder if that has any bearing on the issue?

Thanks, hucks. That one almost matches the one from "my" CCC document. I almost believe that he (most probably) had at least one person signing for him in his name.

Regards

[Brian R]

I've never seen so much variation in a signer's style than that of Baade. Even looking at the ones shown, there does not seem to be much consistency. While there has to be a good explanation for it, I'm not ready to say that any of the docs shown are bad. The units and details all seem to make sense given the times.

I have a few examples to add... here is one that seems somewhat consistent with the one shown by hucks from the documents forum (and, I may have originally obtained this from Konrad; hence the four he is referring to). This is for fighting in the vicinity of Cassino (probably a bit to the west).