Hans Joachim Marseille Signed Photo

[Jeremy]

Secrecy

BrianH, of course you are free to hide your combat report and the name of your typewriting expert from members of this forum. Your acquaintence Stefan would probably appreciate that given his recent track record, but not posting the combat report here just because you believe no one has the ability to tell you whether it is fake or not is not helpful to the discussion.

I hope you quote "feel more comfortable" unquote now you know where the fake report #6 came from. We would feel more comfortable too, if we knew you actually do have a combat report and were open about who your own type writing expert is, so we could also confirm with him/her what you say about his/her need to see the original, their credentials, and even send him/her material for a second opinion. Why the secrecy?

You asked me directly for information and I responded. I ask you to do the same, as pfeil does. It's your opportunity to actually add something useful to the thread.

If you doubt Haas, his expertise, and his ability to determine the type face from a high resolution scan then I am sure he would be willing to set you straight and anyone else who would like to question the ability of this world-renowned expert. As I said, this expert will be able to answer all your questions shortly. Feel free to share his response to you here when you get them. Or is that to be secret, too, if they turn our to be damaging to a certain dealer?

I note you have not responded to the content of the fake combat report CoA post... were you not expecting it to have been sold by your mate Stefan?? Oh dear...

[chen]

check out this web site: www.rileywelch.com. I doubt the faker will use 40 era ink and paper for the faked report.

[stgeorge64]

Richard, Stefan closed that website down a few years ago. You just need to go to LegendsAviationGallery to see where much of Stefan's stock is now... including some dodgy Marseille stuff. I wonder if Frost will get his money back...

Jeremy

Thank you for the heads up on Stefan Korlins site.

I did indeed have a browse through the LegendsAviationGallery site last night.

I think it will be interesting to see the possible fall out from this thread with regards to some of the items on offer there.

Regards Richard.

[Jeremy]

Link for Haas

Just a quick update on Bernard Haas's website address. You can select English now.

http://www.schriftexperte.de/

[Spencer]

Marseille Signed Photographs

I have two signed Marseille Photographs acquired around 2003-2004.

What are your opinions of their authenticity?

The description when I purchasd them:

"The autographs belonged to a collection of a German university professor. The signature(s) must be made in the time when Marseille was on holiday in Germany between February -April or June-August 1942 these were the times in which Marseille made holidays. Like Rommel he only gave ink signatures to collectors when he was home in Germany because the temperatures in Africa gave no chance for good writing in ink."

Spencer

[Jeremy]

Strange similarities

A slight digression from Marseille, but speaking of stuff from Korlin and Frost, I stumbled across something interesting, or am I just imagining it??

Look at the three clippings. Different photo resolutions, but is it only me or are there noticeable and remarkable similarities in the ink and paper? .

Kittel is here on p9 on Frost's website...

http://www.legendsaviationgallery.co... II Signatures

and other two from Korlin's old website...

[Jeremy]

Comparisons

Hi Spencer,

I certainly wouldn't want the first one with the head shot of Marseille in my collection. I have shown it with three notably similar sigs on clippings from the fake factory, the bottom two have drawings above the sig. Compare them and see what you think, anyway.

The pencil one is interesting, andI have shown yours at the top with four others in pencil to compare it with. I have sufficient doubts about all of them and wouldn't part with my money for any of them. But that's just my opinion based on my comparison. Compare it to the authentic ones, too, which can be found earlier in this thread and see what you think.

Is yours on a blank piece of paper or a feldpost card?

So many 'Marseille' sigs...

[Jeremy]

Clearer examples

My previous diversion into the use of the same paper and ink was an average post. The attached pics make it clearer what I want to show, and I have added sigs from four other different clippings from Fine Arts Autographs which show the forger using the same ink. I think that these pictures make the point clearer about what is coming out of the fake factory. Fake, fake, fake...

[Jeremy]

Simple Simon

Hi guys,

From Simon on this ehangar thread:

http://www.ehangar.com/modules.php?n...r=asc&start=30

This is really boiling down to a digruntled childish idiot called Jeremy who has an issue with Stefan Korlin and is now trying to cause grief to Stefan's business dealings and collectors with accusations of fakery.

He cannot prove a jot of his accusations without a forensic test of example signatures/documents or indeed, Stefan's stock/supply.

If Stefan, on the other hand, can validate with provenance, how such genuine documents and signatures came to be in his possession to sell, I'm sure his task will be the easier.

So, "Jeremy" if you are reading this with an obvious childish mirth, it's either show your evidences and prove your point... or shut the **** up!

Until he can, Jeremy has only served to damage Wehrmacht Awards, in my opinion.

Brian. It's only the internet. What can you expect from a world full of idiots like this, with time on there side and with access to a PC?

Simon

Oh dear, it's clear who is the childish one with his schoolboy posts... More of the simplistic yobbo style associated with Korlin's sidekicks. There is no mirth - the selling of fakes is not amusing in any way.

I'll leave it to the readers of this thread and the other threads on Hartmann, Schnaufer, and Rudel to draw their own conclusions on the two sets of signature types presented for each - one dodgy set v one good set, and the proven fake Marseille combat reports (contact Haas, mate) - I don't expect we'll see 158 more in the near future.

FYI Simon, these threads are also the work of other WAF collectors, not just me. They supply material and comments, and as I have a job that allows me time to do this (I mean a real job as opposed to 'artist', Simon), I post the information and ideas - the Schnaufer thread is an example of working with THE expert on Schnaufer material (Wim). It helps if you actually read the related thread/s fully, and consider the content more carefully.

And let me remind you of comments on this thread on ehangar that you, Simon, made 3 years ago:

http://www.ehangar.com/modules.php?n...r=asc&start=30

Don't be afraid to make a nuisance of yourself. Before you consider buying a signature ask some searching questions of the seller first. What authenticated and checkable, documented source has he obtained it from? Can he provide the evidence? Would he be willing to have the signature forensically investigated by you as a condition of purchase? If he was a reputable dealer he'd have had the forensics done in the first place and proudly show the records plus the lab's contact details for verifying the report to you.

Forget blind trust, that went out of fashion years ago. If the answer is 'no to any question, walk away. There is a certain known source of these sigs, and I asked him reasonable questions by e-mail as a potential purchaser. No reply has been forthcoming despite several e-mails from me. Would I buy one? Like hell! COAs are way, WAY not good enough an assurance. If you are in the process of buying from a liar in the first place, what's this piece of junk worth?

More to the point. Ask yourself this one.

Why now? Why are all these "wonderfully rare" sigs from dead WW1 and WW2 figures suddenly coming up available to a specific collector market for prints and drawings? Imperial/Nazi German militaria has been in demand as a bona fide collectable since the 1950s and reached a peak demand in the 1970s. That's when fake militaria and replica weapons really started to flood in. You'd reasonably think signatures and documents would be snapped up with the bayonets, helmets medals and badges and dissipated across the world long ago.

Yes, we on the WAF agree completely with your advice Simon. Well said... you would do well to go back and read that thread and your other posts there to remind yourself, and try not to let your loyalties blind you. WAF collectors would find it interesting to read your views on recognizing old ink signatures etc. too before considering the material posted on the various threads.

Get back to that easel, Simon, and just ignore these threads as you suggest to others, or take time off to read them carefully and write something intelligent and informative as you once did in 2008.

[Jeremy]

This thread

Sorry, this thread was the second one for Simon Atack's posts in 2010 (not 2008):

http://www.ehangar.com/modules.php?n...rtime+hartmann

[fz1]

Hi Jeremy,

You'll probably have seen my post on eHangar, but I've since had chance to read what I've missed over the last 3 months on this thread. Very interesting, to say the least!

I note with interest that Stefan mentions legal action. Also, in one of your posts you say:
"Anyway, as we all know, the production and/or selling of forged wartime documents is a criminal offense..."

Can I ask if you've submitted your evidence to any law enforcement agency? I was just thinking that any such agency would have the necessary professional independent resources available to bring the whole story to a close ...... one way or the other ..... for all interestged parties on WA, on eHangar and others who have possibly suspect material.

As previously mentioned, although I owned a lot of German sigs in the past, I have no loyalty either way these days because I'm out of collecting German sigs & art altogether (all mine is sold). I collect RAF stuff now (which is why I don't visit WA very often these days!)

Cheers,

Jon

[killerkatanas]

Jeremy and Bernd - conspiracy to ruin Stefan and Colin

I wish to draw the forum's attention to a most grevious and sleezy act committed by a recent member of our forum, Jeremy, who, along with Bernd Poser of HeroAutographs, has been trying to fool you all with their knowlege of signatures and has actively tried to ruin others for their own profit..

Jeremy has been the "wormtongue" of this operation, and has been trying to con us by trying to point out Stefan's signatures as fake. Many a time he has posted images of Stefan's signatures, many which are posted by members of this site and eHanger, and then bashed them as fake, and then providing his bogus reasons why. He has even posting links to Colin Frost's site in order to ruin his business. This has not only impacted the recent sales of prints and signatures from this company, but also the artists that are involved in them.

Members, I draw your attention to this recent post on eHanger:

Good afternoon Gentleman

I am sorry that I am bringing this subject up again about Jeremy , the W.A.F and the issue of wartime supposed fake signatures.
Just to really now put the whole subject to bed about this stupid thread on the wehrmacht awards forum.
This thread started by a guy called Jeremy over there is a 100% CON.
Jeremy joined that site back in the spring of this year with the soul purpose of attempting to ruin the reputations of Stefan Korlin and Colin Frost.
We know this to be correct because we have spoken to Jeremys accomplice in this crime and yes it is a crime it's called ' Libel ' Jeremy with the assistance of his accomplice a guy who used to until very recently be a good friend of Stefan Korlin , a certain chap some of you might have heard of ' Bernd Poser ' of Heroautographs has fabricated all kinds of crap about Stefan and me and some of the signatures we sell. They have done this purely for financial gain , their idea being that if they discredit us and the Authenticity of our signatures , Bernd will prosper by selling his.
We have spoken to him direct and he has admitted this even telling us it
was him that sent the Scaned Combat Report to the Typewiting expert.
We have spoken to the typewriting expert Herr Hass and he also confirmed
this and is not at all happy about being conned.
We have now instructed our solicitors to start Legal proceedings to sue both these Gentlemen for Libel.
Please rest assured that we are extremely confident of proving these
combat reports to be Genuine , some of them picked at random are being
analysed by forensic signature experts as we speak , unfortunately this
takes quite some time and is extremely expensive , €2000.00 each we have
been quoted , a little bit more than the €140.00 they claimed they paid
Herr Hass.
We are also confident we can settle the confusion about the typewriter set ,
but for Legal reasons we can not divulge that just yet.
I would like to thank everybody at eHangar for their kind support and all the very positive comments coming from the members.
And I will agree it's only some sad pillock from another site who's got far
to much time on his hands , he needs to go and get a live.

Frosty

How DARE you Jeremy! And Bernd, I thought better of you, having purchased many items from you and Cy. Is your stuff now Fake--I have a whole lot of money that I want refunded! I do hope that you have not incriminated Cy in this plot too!

When this is all over, I only hope that those that have been slandered by your unjust attack take every penny from your hides in court, not to mention the examiner of the Marseilles document, whom you also dupped.

I demand the removal of such scum!

And most of this would not have been possible without the support of many of the members on this forum, such as Max! Yes, you Max, who jumped on the bandwaggon and supported this con. You call yourself an expert--what did you get for this slander Max?

Ban me if you wish, but I'm through listening to this so called "expert" in signatures. You have no credibility with me anymore.

Take a hike Jeremy,
Brian

[Luger-Hunter]

Jeremy and the lawyer

Hi Jeremy !

Normally I was not willing to write any more in in the WAF. But I have to tell you that I contacted my lawyer to sue you - especially for the fraud you did with writing, that I am a forger etc. You wrote more than one time, that I am faking the stuff and that I am forger etc......

Jeremy - maybe you cannot understand this. But it´s totally illegal to badmouth somebody in a forum, and call him a forger. Even if somebody is selling fakes, it is against the law to write this in the world wide web, that he is a forger or call him a forger. Because this is totally illegal you will be caught by the judge for this criminal act.
My lawyer told me, that you have to pay a big penalty for those criminal acts you do here in the forum.
He already is working to sue you.

The other part is that I have enough proofs soon to show that my stuff is genuine. Once all is done, you will get a big invoice for the criminal act you do here in the forum.

Once again Jeremy - you are not allowed to write in the forum or to call him a forger. You did this over and over again and you should contact a lawyer to ask him what kind of legal action you will receive from the judge when I sue you.

And Frosty will do the same, because you did the same with him. Before you write so much criminal stuff here you should ask you lawyer and use your brain before you do this.

By the way. Your good friend Bernd Poser of Schwaebisch Hall bought all the years over and over (up to the last two years) many wartime signatures from me. If I am selling fakes (what you write here - and that´s not the truth) - did he sell also fakes???? He got tons of wartime signatures directly from me and sold those over the years on his website. But you mention that all his signatures are genuine. How could it be if received most of his stuff from me over the years. I helped him over the years to become an autograph dealer.

He is fulltime working in a bakery and selling signatures only in his leisure time.
He is always using third persons to fight his private war because he is not a real man who is doing this byself. He did the same ruffly five years ago in an other matter. If you are interested in that story, you can contact me and I will give you all the informations.

So that´s for today!
I really apreciate very much if you send me your full proper name and adress, because I need this for my lawyer to sue you. Because you are a real man, you should provide me your full name and adress. I will send you all the expertises by proper post when I have the expertises.

I am waiting to receive your full name and adress to take you to the responsiblity by law.

Looking forward to receive your name and adress.

Kindest regards, Stefan Koerlin (not using the nickname like you)
P.S.: If you have problems to write the name and adress in the forum, please fell free to contact me direct via mail or phone.

[Lancaster]

Blown out of the water not Keep digging the hole!

Let's keep the forum to what it is a discussion forum not a bloody lynching.
Let's Talk and not accuse !


Ralljg52

But is this not what Jeremy and whoever else started to do by picking on two individuals? I am amazed that Jeremy has not come back on here and his last reply was very short to say the least. Like I said to him in the begining you have to work with facts and not supposition, but he just seemed to surf the net and come up with his assumption that if anything was bought from Stefan or Colin Frost then it was fake. I kept out of this for a while because it would appear that if you, asked Jeremy or dared to challenge him for facts he would turn it around and use this icon then launch off at a tangent hopefully having diverted enough attention away from the specific question.

In all of this, I have yet to see where the proof lies in what he has been posting all these months. Well done for your post Stefan it seems to have calmed him down. Perhaps now he may see the error of his ways and work with facts, which to my mind were not forthcoming in any of this, it seemed to be a witch hunt which I am glad to say has been burst wide open!

Remember FACTS are what you need to prove anything not 'I found this on this site, it was bought from Stefan so it must be fake' Come Jeremy own up you have an axe to grind and nothing more, despite trying to turn things against certain dealers

What I should have done Jeremy is posted my wartime Hartman, which is exactly like those that you declared as fake on your Hartmann thread, on the same paper with a clipped picture stuck on the top, but I didn't! It would seem pointless now anyway because now the truth is out, just to let you know it was bought from your partner in this Bernd ................................ So do I now ask for my money back? It seems that you are the expert after all, or is that not the case

So to sum up in all of your posts and nothing more, in your eyes if it was bought from Stefan or Colin Frost then it would have been fake, I think that is the whole crux of all of these posts is it not?

All I can say is you have yet to prove anything to me that what you say is beyond all reasonable doubt as they use in English Law!

[Jeremy]

same old tune

Lancaster, what I have presented regarding the fake style versus authentic style sigs for Hartmann, Marseille, Schnaufer, and Rudel is clear enough - there is no going off at a tangent at all. If you can't see the Hartmann issue you are deluding yourself. Every reader is free to make up their own mind, anyway, as I repeatedly say. If you believe there is no issue with these sigs then that is your prerogative, just as it is mine to post my opinion and say there is. The axe I grind is that IMO (and others) there are dodgy Hartmann, Marseille, Schnaufer, and Rudel sigs being sold and supplied by a primary source (see post #21 of the ‘Schnaufer signed material’ thread for my comments on other dealers).

As for your use of ralljg52’s recent post, I’ll leave readers to see the other post ralljg52 has made in the ‘Schnaufer signed material’ thread (post #20) and consider the hypocrisy of his latest comments (his apology to me regarding the combat reports – this thread, post #219 – is also worth noting, Lancaster).

As for your Hartmann sig, Lancaster, if it is of the fake style type and you indeed bought it from Bernd, as I said to Brian, contact Bernd and get a refund; either do that or you have nothing to whine about. And, better still, if you don’t return it, produce an argument as to why I am wrong in what I present regarding the Hartmann sig styles (and the fake Marseille combat reports while you are at it..., and if you have any doubts about the fake Schnaufers, contact Wim and tell us what you find out etc. etc.). Head in the sand ostrich mentality...

As before, Lancaster, you add nothing informative to this thread... you are unable to address any of the questions raised by specific examples given on the four key threads, something Korlin and his other disciples are always also unable to do. Same old story... hollow posts about witch hunts and conspiracies from people who do not read the threads carefully in order to deflect the argument away from the real issues which are of interest to collectors who want to know more about the dodgy material related specifically to Hartmann, Marseille, Schnaufer, and Rudel (and touching on Prien)… there are no wild accusations about everything coming from Frost and Korlin being fake as you incorrectly imply - there are comments on limited and specific examples.

Next:

By all means speak to your lawyer, Stefan. If he/she knows the law regarding libel, he/she will help you to understand what constitutes actionable libel and what must be proven, given that the content in the threads is in the public interest and supported by sufficient research and others’ expertise to support my opinions (as opposed to nothing from you - no more HJ and Bundesarchiv fairytales, please).

As for your conspiracy theory, Stefan, I again recommend that readers contact Bernd if they want the real truth. It’s yet more nonsense from you, someone who clearly has a vested interest in deflecting attention from the real issue of the supply and selling of BS Marseilles, Hartmanns, Schnaufers, and Rudels, an issue which you are still unable to address.

Once again, I’ll leave it to each reader to look at the various threads and draw their own conclusions about the content and who is conning who… and IMO Frost is unfortunately one of those being conned.