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    Fraudulent Willrich Vogt Postcard warning.

    I've collected Willrich for more years than I care to remember.

    I've always tried to learn as much as possible about the items I collect and
    Willrich material is certainly an interesting area to study.

    I've seen this type card show up in several places including a couple of the
    leading German Postcard Auction Houses. I was surfing the web earlier today and found the attached example on a Florida based website.

    This Vogt card began to surface in the late 60's. You'll NEVER see it used postally. The best you'll find is a card with a German stamp from back in the day attached that has no postal cancellation.

    Michael Passmore in his early Willrich booklet mentions this reprinted card
    in passing remarks.

    I emailed the owner of the website that features this caca and brought my concerns to his attention. I sent a scan of the good Vogt cards and explained the differences between good and bad. The dealer responded that because his card was "crisp" he said I was wrong and that his card was good. What the heck is "crisp?" That certainly sounds like a standard to judge an items' authenticity.

    Anyway, I thought I'd bring this situation to the attention of the collecting community and especially those among us who may not be as deeply vested in the Willrich topic.

    The first scan is the bad card. Notice the brownish tint and blackish contrast. Crispness notwithstanding this card is not a genuine period example.

    The remaining scans are the 2 types of genuine period card.

    If I can save just one collector the hurt and disappointment of losing good money, then I've served a useful purpose.

    Ramon
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    Last edited by ramon; 02-19-2011, 11:23 PM.

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    In viewing the 2 good Vogt cards, the card type on the left appears in the Klaus Peters's book published by Roger Bender. Look closely at Vogt's right shoulder. You'll notice the slightest bit of color present. You can see this color bit on the card shown in Peters' book image.

    The good card on the right is from the earlier printing as is the card that's seen in
    Passmore's booklet referred to in the first post.

    I hope this will help my fellow collectors.

    I have not posted the name of the website, but if someone reading this wishes to know, please feel free to PM me.

    Cheers,

    Ramon
    Last edited by ramon; 02-19-2011, 11:24 PM.

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      #3
      Originally posted by ramon View Post
      In viewing the 2 good Vogt cards, the card type on the left appears in the Klaus Peters's book published by Roger Bender. Look closely at Vogt's right shoulder. You'll notice the slightest bit of color present. You can see this color bit on the card shown in Peters' book image.

      The good card on the right is from the earlier printing as is the card that's seen in
      Passmore's booklet referred to in the first post.

      I hope this will help my fellow collectors.

      I have not posted the name of the website, but if someone reading this wishes to know, please feel free to PM me.

      Cheers,

      Ramon
      Ramon, your comments are very interesting, as always.
      I’ve noticed this bit of color on my Vogt earlier and was a bit intrigued by this. So, thank you very much for this info.

      Actually I’ve read almost all your comments about Willrich and, respecting your knowledge and experience, I’d like to ask if you don't mind to continue to share this info with us – please do it, cause it's very useful!

      Cheers,
      McSeam

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        #4
        Hello Ramon:

        Always good to get information from you. As you know I also have a decent collection of Willrich cards and I have always wondered about one of my Vogt cards. It just did not look right. Now I guess I know!

        The first one is the one I assume is bad and the second one I have looks OK.

        Thanks
        Curt
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          #5
          Hallo Curt, Always good to hear from you and see items from your wonderful collection.

          You are correct in thinking that the top card of the two you've posted is the bad Vogt card. Another feature to notice about this card is to look at Vogt's right sleeve. Notice the distance from the fold in his sleeve to the border of the image in the bad card and then compare the same feature on the good card. You will notice that good card shows a bit more of the sleeve while the bad one shows ever so little less.

          This is due to the fake card using a copy image of an original card and then reproducing it. You will see the same situation with the Gottrfried Klein 'Die Wehrmacht' series where the Klein signature runs off the image area of the repro card.

          In any event, its value to a collector is that of a reference speciman to show what to avoid.

          Many thanks to McSeam for the kind words.

          Cheers,

          Ramoln

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            #6
            Well I bought a Vogt card from the Collector's Guild thinking it was an original not sure if I will get my money back since I bought it a couple of years ago. Originally I thought it was original because of the postal GG cancel, which I believe to be fraudulent.


            Rene Chavez
            www.foreignvolunteerlegion.com


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              #7
              With the recent appearance of another fake Vogt card, I thought it was time to bring this thread to the surface one more time.

              Ramon

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                #8
                Ramon, thanks for bringing this up. We all need some help in this collecting world.

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