12th SS Pz Div HJ - Commander 01.09.1944?

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[SJP]

OBM,That's a nice group Thanks for posting it. (It would be nice to see a comparision signature of Kraemer's) Considering he is on Stab of the Abt. it makes sense he would be awarded the KVK

What's important here is the pattern in which the EK 1/2 or KVK is signed by this division

CO. was done in the same format no matter who was signing it.it's very common w/ LAH/HJ signed documents.

I have also seen it on other SS KVK/EK documents. I will agree w/ marc that Das Reich use's the format he referenced.I have several like it.
If anyone has an HJ document in there collection or can direct one to to a credible source I would like to see it. I have 5 from this divison showing this format. Regardless of the "time frame"

As with anything in collecting I like thing's that tend to repeat themselves.
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Cheers Steve

[Simon O.]

Nord also used the regular format. The style was set by the signing authority and these often though not always varied over time along with the style of documents used.

So, across the board this style is unusual and that you say it was common for the HJ and LSSAH is exactly my point. A faker would be more likely to mess up the the format used by this particular division, unless they had detailed specialist knowledge of the division or was copying from another he'd seen.