Dr. Horst Schuman T$ Projekt Sonnenstein house

[Ojoneso]

Hi guys,


for a long time i had get this pictures.
Is from:

Dr. Horst Schumann master of the Sonnenstein Vernichtungsanlage/ Tötungsanstallt with projekt T4 or "Euthanasiemorde"

you can view here but is german:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4


on the pictures is often Mr. Schumann and other high person:

z.b. Dr. H Frank und Von Dem Bach Zelewski...


Mr Schuman is this man:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Schumann



and the Sonnenstein house you can see here:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/NS-T%C3...B6tungsanstalt


the pictures very rar and very historical .
A lot of is from the opening day from Sonnenstein
and a wedding , privat pictures from him.
a meeting in warschau a.s.o.


a person here in forum give me the link from a russian dealer.(very thanks Graham!! and you are a fine person!and honest collector)

This man had a photoalbum with the rest from the pictures.

The photos was sold from him
here you can see the rest from the pictures.

http://derkrieg.com/store/element.ph...EMENT_ID=35957

I wrote with him and he has says the photos was from a collector.

he must give him a lot of and had buy the other photos a other man.

Ok now i have the Pictures .

Ok look the pictures
and give me a feadback
Best regards Sebastian

[John Pen.]

Sebastian,
VERY NICE! And Very Intersting! Nice info on links too.
Thanks for sharing.
John

[Mil-Archive]

Thanks for posting those - and congrats on getting them Very interesting.

[Andrew Harris]

Could you show the reverses of the 1st 5 photos? They have "russian" cuttings (some other photos also have them) - I don't like them. IMHO - "Russian fakes".

[John Pen.]

Could you show the reverses of the 1st 5 photos? They have "russian" cuttings (some other photos also have them) - I don't like them. IMHO - "Russian fakes".

I noticed the suspicious "cuts" too but didn't want to propose "fakes". Interesting point though.
Have you "blacklighted" them yet? Although that test is only 100% if they GLOW.

Jp

[Ojoneso]

Could you show the reverses of the 1st 5 photos? They have "russian" cuttings (some other photos also have them) - I don't like them. IMHO - "Russian fakes".

Sorry mate ,

ok no problem but i don´t understand why only first 5 ?
The ohter pictures (or a lot of)
is exacly the same.

Ok but here are the backsite drom the firts 5 Pictures.


my scanner is not the best
a collector friend of me had the pictures in him´s hands he don´t say is not good.
please tell me your opinion.


Best Sebastian


Postcardback is five pictures .

this here is picture number 5

[Andrew Harris]

Really interesting... The first photo in the first row is made on half-cutted PC size german paper... Other 4 photos made on unmarked paper... Hm... One more question: this photos were taken in Russia or no? Because I saw a few with such cutting and they were original. But they was 100% made in Russia and photographer used russian cutter for some reason...

To John Pen.: I consider you a great specialist in photos, so want to hear your opinion about this

P.S. Oh, really - I also want to answer about UV test results.

[Ojoneso]

no frinds not speculate
give it 100% thinks it is a fake ok
but not -i thing it is- .

this pictures are from germany and go to russland.

All the pictures have a ohter back.
Agfa or without markermark.
Half postcard.

I have more and other pictures with half postcard.

Sepp


UV test no lightning

[JWL]

They are fine IMO; nice set..!

[John Pen.]

I am certainly not an expert on photos. I am just an "armchair amateur" collector. In other words, I welcome to be proven wrong as much as to be agreed with by a real expert. It's all about learning, ...no?

Anyway, Sepp, good news about the negative UV test.

I like the reverse with the post card back much more than the other 4. The other four look a little "tea-stained" to me. But, since they have the same cut, they are more hopeful.
Sebastian, you say that the 4 have Agfa watermarks?

I like to hope that these are all good.
If I had to place a bet right now... I would say "good". ........but some one with more expertise should jump in and state their opinion because I just cannot say 100% one way or the other. Sorry.


Jp
p.s. Sepp, the Eur. were sent today on the Hess.
p.p.s. Sepp and Sebastian are the same person

[Ojoneso]

Hi,



Yes sepp ist shorter than Sebastian
but same person


Thats not "tea" its my scanner
later i like to post all backsites from the pictures.
I don't understand.

Serie of Pictures from one event.
A lot of ""copies"" the rest good.

For me sure confused

Regards Sebastian /Sepp

I am certainly not an expert on photos. I am just an "armchair amateur" collector. In other words, I welcome to be proven wrong as much as to be agreed with by a real expert. It's all about learning, ...no?

Anyway, Sepp, good news about the negative UV test.

I like the reverse with the post card back much more than the other 4. The other four look a little "tea-stained" to me. But, since they have the same cut, they are more hopeful.
Sebastian, you say that the 4 have Agfa watermarks?

I like to hope that these are all good.
If I had to place a bet right now... I would say "good". ........but some one with more expertise should jump in and state their opinion because I just cannot say 100% one way or the other. Sorry.


Jp
p.s. Sepp, the Eur. were sent today on the Hess.
p.p.s. Sepp and Sebastian are the same person

[Ojoneso]

full backsites

[Andrew Harris]

Thanks for detailed reverses.

My IMHO is still the same: photos that are made on half-cutted PC size german paper are look good for me. Other photos, that are made on "tea-stained" paper without markings are look like "russian fakes"... But, as I mentioned, it's ONLY MY IMHO.

[John Pen.]

Thank-you Sepp for the close-ups.(massive files)

To me, most of the photos look good. Only a couple still look suspicious. But since the (IMO) many "good" and few "questionable" photos are connected by the "edge cut" style
and some "certain markings" it really makes me think they are all good.

I do agree with Andrew that photos from Russia are more suspicious than other sources. That's why "Russin fakes" is such a common term.
Just look at Ebay, the worst culprits selling the "tea stained" fakes ahave Russian locations.
It is unfortunate, but because the trafficking of fakes is such big $$$, supposedly even the MOB is involved. That just means more cash to produce better fakes.

All of that being said, I think that you have a very nice, authentic and important photo collection in your possession. Congratulations, and thanks again for the close-ups.

Regards,
John
(p.s... Still not an "expert" )

[John Pen.]

(double post, sorry)*
Jp