Sepp Dietrich signature

[ryanww2]

opionions on this signaturehttps://www.weitze.net/detail/42/Waf..._122142_e.html

[TH0791]

It looks authentic

[Jon. H]

Yes, nice and original signature.

[max history]

Authentic

Yes, nice and original signature.

What makes you both so sure? Please give your reasons.
Regards,
Max.

[TH0791]

Compression to some 30 autographs from the war

[max history]

Compression to some 30 autographs from the war

Yes, but how can you state categorically that this particular example is 100% authentic? The scans shown are not very clear and to properly compare it to other examples (which of course should be genuine), surely you should have a much better sight of it. Or do you personally know this particular example? I don't know. There are a lot of very good copies of Dietrich's signature about and many of them look like this. Personally, I wouldn't give a categorical assessment either way based on these scans alone, but that's just me. Interesting.
Regards,
Max.

Here's a real one for example.......

[max history]

Can I ask your opinions on these three please?
Thanks,
Max.

[max history]

Number 2.

[max history]

Number 3.

[andrewb]

I'll have a go at it Max.

No. 1 & 3 fake.
No.2 could be. Maybe later in his life. Not his wartime signature.

Regards,
AB.

[Jon. H]

Seeing a lot of Dietrich signatures makes me so shure. Not 100 prosent of course, but i'm also thinking that weitze has a lot of good signatures.

[max history]

Here's a fourth. What about this one? Real or fake?
Max.

[TH0791]

Yes, but how can you state categorically that this particular example is 100% authentic? The scans shown are not very clear and to properly compare it to other examples (which of course should be genuine), surely you should have a much better sight of it. Or do you personally know this particular example? I don't know. There are a lot of very good copies of Dietrich's signature about and many of them look like this. Personally, I wouldn't give a categorical assessment either way based on these scans alone, but that's just me. Interesting.
Regards,
Max.

Here's a real one for example.......

ok, you made your point and I accept it. No autograph is %100 authentic unless you got it in person.

I think that the later three are all fakes.

[Jon. H]

You are absolutely right! I have bought a few autographs from mr Weitze, but i bought them in his shop in hamburg

[max history]

ok, you made your point and I accept it. No autograph is %100 authentic unless you got it in person.

I think that the later three are all fakes.

My point is that I think we jump in all too often with opinions that are sometimes based on flimsy evidence. I don't know whether or not the autograph posted by ryanww2 is real or not because the images are not great. If pushed, I would lean more to it being a fake. My doubts arise over not the signature (which is not clear enough to evaluate) but over the handwritten date. This does not look like Dietrich's writing. I could be wrong.

However, I do disagree with your statement that "....No autograph is 100% authentic unless you got it in person." Sometimes the source of a signature can decide. Experience and thorough physical examination is also a key factor.

Anyway, the first Dietrich autograph I posted above (#7) is genuine. It was signed by him as a prisoner in Landsberg Prison in 1951.
The second is a fake.
The third is genuine. It is on an original document from 1936 concerning the transfer of Hitler's SS adjutants to the LAH.
The fourth is also genuine. It is on a handwritten and signed portrait from 1938 and was obtained direct from the son of the recipient.
So you see that just comparing a signature to others is not sufficient grounds to declare something real or fake.
Thanks to all those who participated in this thread, especially andrewb who was willing to have a go before anyone else.
Fascinating stuff.
Regards,
Max.