Doc. signed by Claus Stauffenberg

[Gerdan]

Colin

I would ask to try

9 ) Frhr von Soden

31) Arno(?) von Ribaupierre


Gerdan

[karlo]

if he is in the pic he would have been 21 so easy to narrow down

[crfraser]

Gerdan - thanks for taking a shot.

I think you are right and first name is "Frhr von" but its the name itself that stumps me.....I hadn't thought of an "S" so I will give that a look in the 1. SRR's rolls and see.

The second name is also difficult - I have always thought it started with Arco....followed perhaps by something like "Rihaupriss_ _" or "Rikaupriss _ _" ? Also the first letter in the assumed Arco could be an "F." But probably not Freiherr.

BTW - are the names you proposed actual names or just what you are seeing on paper?

Very difficult!

Colin

[Gerdan]

Colin,

both 9) and 31) is the actual reading.

9) There is no doubt about "Frhr von" - than Soden.. - but there could be 1 or 2 letter after
Soden..

31) Arno or Arco as first name. Than I read Ribaupierre. This is/was an actual noble family .

May be you will find a hint in the SRR's rolls.

Gerdan

[crfraser]

Thanks Gerdan - Ribauperre sounds French so I would not have thought of it. I appreciate your efforts and I will see what I can find that matches these 2.

Colin

[crfraser]

Karlo - I have looked for Claus in the photo but no luck. In a dinner like this the officer cadets would likely have been at the back of the room.

Colin

[crfraser]

Likely General der Infanterie Franz Freiherr von Soden - recipient of the Pour le Merite and father -in-law of Wachendorf, who also signed this document.

Thanks gerdan!

Colin

[Gerdan]

I found a Generalmajor "von Ribaupierre" in the Bavarian Army 1866:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...=de&lr=lang_de

Gerdan

[Gerdan]

In the "Ehren-Rangliste des ehemaligen Deutschen Heeres 1914-1918" I found a Freiherr

von Ribaupierre as a Leutnant a.D. with the " 1. Schwere Reiter-Regiment Prinz Carl von

Bayern".

May be he is related with your guy?

Gerdan

[crfraser]

Maybe he is my guy - the "Arco" could be a "Fhr von" and many of the other signers were junior aristocratic officers in WWI. I will go back and look a the detailed rolls agains as I did not see him there. Very strange .......but thanks again for your efforts on my behalf - you have assisted me a lot! Perhaps he was a.D. before the first war?

Colin

[crfraser]

Gerdan - #11 looks like"zu Rhein" to me but the only officer I can find with that name was 5. Infanterie.

Colin

[Gerdan]

I agree in reading also "Zu Rhein" !

There was a famous family in Bavaria with the name "von zu Rhein".

Here I found a Friedrich Carl Freiherr von zu Rhein who was a fomous Bavarian administrative civil cervant . He died 1870 but your guy coud be related with this family.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedri...r_von_Zu_Rhein


Gerdan

[crfraser]

Gerdan - thanks for your help.

I think #38 is signed "von Reichenberg"

Graf Luitpold Graf von Wolffskeel Reichenberg of 1. Bayerisches Schwere Reiter

What do you think?

Colin

[Gerdan]

Colin

I have some problems to identify this signature as (Luitpold Graf von Wolfskeel) von Reichenberg.
I miss some letters in the signature so as the letter "g" at the end "ReichenberG"
I will try some other names.

Gerdan

[crfraser]

Gerdan - I agree the trailing "g" is hard to see and the B in the middle of Reichenberg would be capitalized....but it looks possible to me. Maybe I am trying too hard?

Is it possible that Luitpold Graf von Wolffskeel Reichenberg would have signed himself as "von Reichenberg" or would he have signed "von Wolffskeel?"

Any other ideas gratefully received!

Thanks

Colin