Amtes fur Sippenforschung bound journals

[Michael Fay]

I acquired these a long time ago when I thought they would be overtly SS related. They are not directly SS in any way. But thought they would be of interest and hopefully someone here can tell me more about this organization affiliated with Ahnenpas information.
thanks, Michael

[Michael Fay]

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june 1944, last issue in the books

[Gerdan]

The " Sippenforschung" = genealogical research was very importend in the Third Reich becaus e. g. all members of the public service had to bring an Ahnenpass.
So this newspaper was created in 1937 (til 1944) to help the different researchers in getting informations dealing with their subject and they could publish questions.
This special newspaper is widespread in different German public libraries (more tha 55 times).
Gerdan

[Michael Fay]

Thanks Gerdan,
So it was DIRECTLY connected with the official Ahnenpasses. I wondered how important it might be.
What do you make of the term Sippen? I have read it was an archaic term purosely revived as a Nat Soc (a Nazi Deutsche) word for Clan.

[Larry deZeng]

Sippenforschung was a term coined by the NSDAP to mean genealogical research. Just how "Nazified" the term was probably depends on whether or not it is generally used today to mean the same thing. If it is commonly used to day to mean genealogical research, then it probably does not have a very odious connotation connecting it to the TR period. If it did, then it would not be in common use today.

[Gerdan]

Larry found the exact interpretation of "Sippe" and "Sippenforschung". I could not have done it so exactly.

The reason the Nationalsocialists where doing this genealogical research was, to find out of one was a descendet of a jewish person. If yes, he was not allowed to work in public service or to marry an Arian (?) person or to be a soldier in the German Army.
It was a hard ideology and it was controlled very stricly byy the government
and it was punished if you did not obey the rules/laws.

Gerdan

[Michael Fay]

Sippenforschung was a term coined by the NSDAP to mean genealogical research. Just how "Nazified" the term was probably depends on whether or not it is generally used today to mean the same thing. If it is commonly used to day to mean genealogical research, then it probably does not have a very odious connotation connecting it to the TR period. If it did, then it would not be in common use today.

Had to crack open my Cassel's German-English Dictionary and indeed for this term Sippenforschung (and as you said, Larry deZeng, it means 'genealogical research' ) they dont mention it as a Nat. Soc. term, either

My German instructor told me this was not a word (Sippe)in common usage and was as far as he was concerned an archaic usage. ...but he also did not know all the subtle definitions of "Heimat(with it's almost mystical tie to the land and the inclusive and exclusive qualities etc)," either --so maybe he can be discounted altogether here.

A few years ago I almost bought myself a Nazi-Deutsche lexicon put together by scholars but it was too priceyat the time. I may start looking again for one. I bet they would have a entry under Sippe.
Thanks for the help.

[Michael Fay]

Larry found the exact interpretation of "Sippe" and "Sippenforschung". I could not have done it so exactly.

The reason the Nationalsocialists where doing this genealogical research was, to find out of one was a descendet of a jewish person. If yes, he was not allowed to work in public service or to marry an Arian (?) person or to be a soldier in the German Army.
It was a hard ideology and it was controlled very stricly byy the government
and it was punished if you did not obey the rules/laws.

Gerdan

Hello Gerdan,
I have been told that as the years passed the Ahnenpasses became suspect as so many were willing to pay good money to get a "clean bill of health" in the Aryan ancestor family tree lineages. I have no doubt either way, a genealogist would not want to have been caught faking anyone's ancestor lineages.
thanks, Michael

[Larry deZeng]

Michael F. wrote:

Had to crack open my Cassel's German-English Dictionary and indeed for this term Sippenforschung (and as you said, Larry deZeng, it means 'genealogical research' ) they dont mention it as a Nat. Soc. term, either

Sippenforschung, f. (Nat. Soc.) genealogical research.

[Source: Betteridge, Harold T. (comp., ed.). Cassell's German Dictionary. German-English, English-German. Fourth edition. London: Cassell & Co. Ltd., 1971. p.431.]

This is the dictionary recommended by my German professor 35 years ago. Words followed by the abbreviation Nat. Soc. in parentheses mean it came into usage or evolved during the period of National Socialism.

Perhaps it is no longer politically correct to point out words of this sort in current dictionaries. After all, our new, brave world of political correctness has redefined just about everything.

[Michael Fay]

Michael F. wrote:


Sippenforschung, f. (Nat. Soc.) genealogical research.

[Source: Betteridge, Harold T. (comp., ed.). Cassell's German Dictionary. German-English, English-German. Fourth edition. London: Cassell & Co. Ltd., 1971. p.431.]

This is the dictionary recommended by my German professor 35 years ago. Words followed by the abbreviation Nat. Soc. in parentheses mean it came into usage or evolved during the period of National Socialism.

Perhaps it is no longer politically correct to point out words of this sort in current dictionaries. After all, our new, brave world of political correctness has redefined just about everything.

The Cassel book I was citing has a printing date of 1978. I used to have one from the 60's and I am sure it called it a Nat. Soc. term then.

Larry, as for being P.C. the way I understand political correctness is that it is from a liberal standpoint. From this "liberal" standpoint, a discredited word would not be allowed to be used at all, and if it was allowed in the dictionary it would have warnings as to its being used . The opposite of P.C. would be to use the word and not make mention of it's dark past. So to start using the words again and not even mention their nazi past would not be P.C. ...Indeed it would be from a ...lets say more non-liberal and "knee-jerk"reactionary point of view.
Please understand I am not trying to defend P.C. --Lord knows how annoying it is in todays History and Anthropological discourse.

[Larry deZeng]

Michael F.

I wholeheartedly agree with your definition of political correctness. I meant it in a broader context, specifically its tendancy to redefine everything. For example, the adherents of PC today are to the left of center and the farther to the left they are the more they support and employ it. Take the definition of torture. To them, if person A raises his voice or frowns at person B, he is torturing him. That is the complete antithesis of the definition my generation grew up with in the 'forties and 'fifties. So it is clear to many of us that PC has led to the redefining of many words and phrases.

Now to Cassell's dictionary. There must have been some editorial decision made between 1971 and 1978 to can the "(Nat. Soc.)" descriminator for some reason. It would be interesting to know if it was done with all words of this type or just with this one.