Award doc Honor Goblet KC holder

[mdj]

Hi,

Could someone tell me if this award doc for an Honor Goblet has some good signs of being an authentic one?? It aint my collection field.

Its awarded to Ernst Froemming, but I dont know if that is the same guy as the FJ and KC holder as seen at the picture.

Please some help. Thanks...

Martin


Shot at 2007-07-18


Shot at 2007-07-18

[mdj]

Omg

Ow my god..... I am just checking the price guide of Detlev Niemann and what do I see on page 717?? The same name only another set up. Looks like a bad bad bad fake....

Ever seen this one/type before??

Martin

[mdj]

I am totally confused ...I was wrong: the one in Niemanns price guide is "die Ehrenschale" and this one is "die Ehrenpokal"...Thats a big difference.

But, I see clearly another type of signature...

[Hank C.]

I'm not a signature expert, but I'm not too keen on both of the sigs on this document...

best
Hank

[Simon O.]

It's bad. Frömming is listed as getting the ehrenpokal sometime in 1944 if i remember correctly, i don't have my books to hand.

[Angel Farré]

Can a paratrooper receive the Honor Goblet? I think he can receive only the Ehrenschale as a ground fighter instear an aircrew or pilot.

Angel

[peter u]

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[Simon O.]

Can a paratrooper receive the Honor Goblet? I think he can receive only the Ehrenschale as a ground fighter instear an aircrew or pilot.

Angel

You're quite right Angel. I was going from memory and got my DKiG lists mixed up with my ehrenpokal lists.

[Wilco Vermeer]

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Can a paratrooper receive the Honor Goblet? I think he can receive only the Ehrenschale as a ground fighter instear an aircrew or pilot.

Angel
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You're quite right Angel. I was going from memory and got my DKiG lists mixed up with my ehrenpokal lists.
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Before the Ehrenschale was awarded it was not uncommon to be awarded the Ehrenpokal for a Fallschirmjäger. Specially these relative early awardings are possible. Do not forget there have never been found any award criteria for the Ehrenpokal so do not state it is not possible. In 1941 they were awarded to Fallschirmjäger several times. Oberartzt Joachim Kirsch is one exemple of it in the Patzwall book on the Ehrenpokal.

However in this case I do not like the signature of Göring. This document is signed with Hermann Göring and that is very uncommon. All documents I have seen that were signed by him were signed only with Göring. So I do have my doubts on this document here shown, but the awarding is possible.

[peterm]

Hi guys !

Hauptmann Ernst Frömming (later on commander of Fallschirm-Pionier-Bataillon 1) received his "EHRENSCHALE DER LUFTWAFFE" in 1942 ! I really don't believe, that he later on received an "EHRENPOKAL". Frömming served the whole war with Fallschirmpioniere.

Kind regards,

Peter

[servusalle]

Hi guys !

Hauptmann Ernst Frömming (later on commander of Fallschirm-Pionier-Bataillon 1) received his "EHRENSCHALE DER LUFTWAFFE" in 1942 ! I really don't believe, that he later on received an "EHRENPOKAL". Frömming served the whole war with Fallschirmpioniere.

Kind regards,

Peter

Ehrenpokal was awarded in most cases , when the person was missing , died post-human for the Family !

I had to Certifikates of Stka -Pilots

I once presented here my Convolute of 15 Certificates o f this pilot .. The ehrenpokal and the Deutsches Kreuz were awarded after being shot down ..

[peterm]

Frömming survived the war and I am sure, he never was awarded an "Ehrenpokal". He received Ehrenschale, DKiG and RK.

Regards, Peter

[Simon O.]

Ehrenpokal was awarded in most cases , when the person was missing , died post-human for the Family

I don't know if i'm reading you correctly here but the ehrenpokal was not 'in most cases' a posthumous award.