Sütterlin help

[werner geier]

Sorry to bore you with this, but i absolutely cant decipher this caption.
many thanks in advance,
werner

[werner geier]

caption on period newspaper "der sieg"

[Frank Heukemes]

Would be better if you show the pic, then it will be easy.

"Wo der gr******252;ne K???utz ist liegen wir."

"we are situated where the green K???utz is"

[werner geier]

Would be better if you show the pic, then it will be easy.

"Wo der grüne K???utz ist liegen wir."

"we are situated where the green K???utz is"

frank,
thanks for the help. i guess the meaning of this will remain a riddle...
w.

[Frank Heukemes]

I know now, he misspelled Kreuz.

text is: wo das gr******252;ne Kreu(t)z ist liegen wir.

we are situated where the green cross is.

Somewhere on your articel/pic there must be a green cross.

[Hank C.]

Is there a map? A photo? Anything? Wherever the green cross is, that's where the person (or people, or unit) was situated.

Hank

[Frank Heukemes]

it has to be a pic of a railroad wagon

[werner geier]

guys, as you can see the paper is in rather bad shape, but i see no traces of a green cross. also i dont see how this little propaganda text would relate to the man´s military biography btw, he was in Skij******228;ger Rgt. 1
w.

[F L Clemens]

Here's my theory - the newspaper clipping you have is a cutout from a larger clipping which once had a map on it from some sector of the Front. A soldier mailed the larger clipping to someone with an article and map about the fighting he was in. At some point, someone else snipped the large clipping down to just this photo, so the comment has lost its context. So focusing on the photo is now a red herring.

- The newspapers often included fairly simple maps with the Front marked out and a few major cities.
- Kreutz is a common misspelling (actually an older form) for Kreuz, so I agree with the translation.
- It would be just too much of a coincidence that this soldier would recognize a PK photo of a few railcars as his own given the delay in the publication of a photo and the fact that this is such a generic looking scene.
- The one queer thing I find is that he mentions a "green" cross but apparently has written the comment in a different color. A small thing.

[Hank C.]

Here's a thought, brought on by something I read some time ago:

Perhaps in one letter the soldier/person sent a newspaper clipping, with the map, marked with a small "x".

In a second letter, the small handwritten note.

That way it might have a better chance of getting past the censors, as they wouldn't have both pieces together.

I thought of that, because I read some time back about a guy, who when he learned he was shipping out, went out and bought 2 maps, same size. He kept one, and his wife the other. In each letter, he would lay the map over the letter, and poke a pinhole in it. When the letter arrived to his wife, she could lay the letter over the map, and see where he was.

Just a thought....

Hank

[werner geier]

CSI Wehrmacht forum! thanks guys for the great criminalistic input. actually the piece of evidence is larger, as you can see here, but no cross anywhere else. my idea was that the caption would refer to the small column where it was placed at, but maybe the man just used that location as there was some free space.
the article describes an attack by the Skijäger Rgt. 1 in the Pripjet swamps/Russia Feb. 1944 led by former german ski-champion Hptm. Günther Meergans (with whom i had an exiting correspondence 2 years ago).

[werner geier]

an interesting detail of the article is that it describes fast attacks that are carried out skijoring style: kettenkrads tow skiers into combat...

[F L Clemens]

Okay, thanks for finally showing the bigger picture. It is always better to provide the bigger picture from the start, rather than spoonfeeding clues bit by bit.
I would figure that the sentence refers to a green cross that either faded or the person forgot to actually mark. I would like closer to all the location references in the article.

[Onkel Due]

Hallo,
I'm the son of Hauptmann du Bois. He was the right hand of Meergans.
I will meet Meergans in one month. coud you make me a Copy of this Article please.
That coud be perfect for me.
MfG
Onkel Due