!!!!!!!!!!!!Please help me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Please can you look in this thraed any anybody can help me

Regards Thomas

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=1#post1479624

[kennethc]

Sound like very urgent... life or death situation.

[ramon]

For a little bit of money, you make it sound as though you're dying.

I'm no document person, but I am suspicious that the document stamps are smirched or poorly applied in both papers you have submitted for consideration.

Ramon

[harmel]

Help

Thomas,I cannot find a GL Wobe in either,
Army or Luftwaffe
A bit suspicious
Harmel

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Thats the problem is going not for the 100 Euro the was peanuts , I want not accept that one document is original and the other not .It was a very early date for documents the first Ek2 document that I know is from 16 Septenber 1939 and not before .I think if people make copy from Ek1 , Nks , Panzerbadges than I can understand but a copy from Ek2 and VWA for a group from not so interested badges that I will not accepted .I collecting documents 20 years and have from Knight cross to Oakleves all in my hands and I see things that I don´t see before and after again , so a many peoiple tell allways copy and look not for more information that I don´t make .The problem by this documents is the person Generalleutnant Wobe than no person find him , so I don´t know if is possible that Wobe was a Major or Oberst the only forget to sign with his rank and sign for the Generalleutnant ???

I look three days for that and search in all forums that I know and so I hope to find any answerd for that , maybe eric Queen the was expert in FJ can help me I will ask him

Regards Thomas

[Simon O.]

There are a number of indicators that the WB and EK are bad. Both seem to have been typed using the same typerwriter. The EKII signature, apart from being signed by a non-existent general also lacks what position he held. The stamp appears to be the 'reichsminister der luftfahrt' one yet the doc says 'im felde'. The WB doc simply says 'feldlazarett', what one?? the stamp also conveniently fades out on that part.


You shouldn't be at all surprised. Everything in TR collecting is faked and boosting a group is nothing new, it doesn't have to be something that's worth a lot of money. If these were genuine then both the WB and EKII would be worth more than an average WB and EK due to the very early dates. EKIIs i've seen as early as the 2nd or 3rd Sept though most are for the spange.

If you paid 100Euro for the whole group then it is cheap, but would you have paid 100euro for the Czech medal doc on it's own??

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Hi Simon

Thakns for reply and I know what you mean Eric have tell me the self by the typewritter , but is hard to know why any make a copy with a absolutley early date and sale it to the price ( My friend buy from a private person for 30-50 Euro ) that the got only for the Octobermedall document ( you know what I mean ) .I think If any make a copy he want got a much money more than 30 Euro why any make early date of not so interested documents ( Ek and VWA ) if the make to a original Group a Ek1 or DK or other big award for to make a better group and sale for much money than I understand .But what he have from copy the got not more money than the original document from Octobermedall that I don´t understand .

It was easy to make a copy with any other date and any other award where you can not look in internet , why any make very good copy ( paper is perfect and UV is okay ) and make so mistake with Rank and date ???? If the copy maker was bad he don´t got good paper and Uv Test he make all bad or ??? And good copy maker found names in the Internet which people was commandant and how is the signature from them or ???

It is possible that Wobe was not Generalleutnant only Major or Captain ( for that no find him ) and he only forgot to sign with his Rank ??? I see a many documents the have this mistake why not here ????So my friend want give me the money back but I don´t want it I hope the was original .Maybe any habe a idea if I got information on WAST about the Oberfeldwebel Burmester ??????

Regards and thanks for help

Thomas

[Simon O.]

Go to milliweb and take a look at all the fake documents with very low prices.

You say these are good copies, if they were then this thread wouldn't be here. Just because we have the internet doesn't mean everyone knows how to use the sources available. The books are available too, have been for many years and in many cases are more reliable. Just because someone can get hold of good quality paper that doesn't glow under UV light doesn't mean they know anything about how the paperwork should be filled out.

It is possible that Wobe was not Generalleutnant only Major or Captain ( for that no find him ) and he only forgot to sign with his Rank ??? I see a many documents the have this mistake why not here ????

I'd love to see some of these documents. Not i.a or i.v but outright falsification of the signing officers credentials because that's what it is.

Remember too that we're not just talking about a generalleutnant that never existed but one that apparantly has no job either. Worse than that we're talking of a Luftministerium stamp from Berlin, not 'im felde' , bureaucracy central and some of the very first EKs to be awarded during the war but you think a hauptmann or major 'forgot' that he screwed up?


Is Wobe even a German surname? No one by that name in the Volksbund database, no one by that name in the '44 LW rangliste and no one even by that name in Das Telefonbuch

[OdeSSa1976]

VERY VERY interesting.
Keep it up guys.

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Okay Simon you have wright in the most points what you say but I don´t understand what any make the work by fake and than he make so a mistake by the name and Rank , but I see is to many mistakes in it .If I look of the signature the can also raed Wolm but from General Wolm I find nothing too , so I have buy 2 fake document

Regards and thank for help to all

Thomas