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    Original Signatures on a Hitler Postcard?

    Hi guys,

    I dont come in here very often, but found this one very interesting.

    1. Does it look authentic?
    2. Can anyone interpret the names from top to bottom?

    Thanks.

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    Six original signatures on the reverse of an Adolf Hitler postcard, including: Joseph Goebbels; Buldar von Shirach; Heinrich Himmler; Joachim von Ribbentropp; two others, unknown. In very fine condition. (Sold with expertise of authenticity, D. Niemann).

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          #5
          From the names supplied, I'd guess (top to bottom):

          1. ??
          2. Dr. Goebbels
          3. Baldur von Schirach
          4. ??
          5. Heinrich Himmler
          6. Joachim von Ribbentrop

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            #6
            I'm pretty sure the first name on #4 is "Wilhelm". The Himmler and Ribbentrop signatures are unlike their usual ones - much sloppier.

            Steve
            ~ The true test of a democracy is how well it protects the rights of its least popular citizens. ~

            ~ Never cross swords with an unworthy opponent. ~

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              #7
              Originally posted by Steve Sherlock
              I'm pretty sure the first name on #4 is "Wilhelm". The Himmler and Ribbentrop signatures are unlike their usual ones - much sloppier.

              Steve
              Unusual in the sense of how the signatures are captured on one post card. Almost like an autograph hound grabbed these guys at a local event. Did this happen? Or was this likely to happen?

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                #8
                [quote=Darrell]Unusual in the sense of how the signatures are captured on one post card. Almost like an autograph hound grabbed these guys at a local event. Did this happen? Or was this likely to happen?[/quote]

                I've seen films of some of the bigwigs giving autographs, including Hitler, Goring, and Goebbels. So, it's quite likely these could have been obtained that way. That might also explain why Himmler's and Ribbentrop's signatures are not as "neat" as we're used to. On the second, which as been suggested as that of Goebbles -- I don't see "Goebbels" in that scribble.

                Steve
                ~ The true test of a democracy is how well it protects the rights of its least popular citizens. ~

                ~ Never cross swords with an unworthy opponent. ~

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                  #9
                  There is a comparison for the Goebbels sig under the paper items section at www.hmsbrinmaric.com

                  Looks fairly close

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                    #10
                    I don't know about the others, but the Himmler signature looks plausible to me. It looks similar to other Himmler signatures that I have seen on the web.

                    Just my opinion,
                    John

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ChrisM.
                      There is a comparison for the Goebbels sig under the paper items section at www.hmsbrinmaric.com

                      Looks fairly close


                      Yes, it does in certain respects. But even allowing for the difference between signing a picture under relaxed circumstances, and an autograph in possibly hectic surroundings, (as suggested in my remarks on Himmler's and Ribbentrop's signatures), the lack of a second "b" and the intricate looping of the "l" just aren't consistent with his other, known, signature.

                      Though I have over the years paid attention to this sort of thing, I'm NOT an authority here.

                      ss
                      ~ The true test of a democracy is how well it protects the rights of its least popular citizens. ~

                      ~ Never cross swords with an unworthy opponent. ~

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by johnrtse
                        I don't know about the others, but the Himmler signature looks plausible to me. It looks similar to other Himmler signatures that I have seen on the web.

                        Just my opinion,
                        John


                        If one compares the postcard Himmler signature with that on the document on this forum: http://therupturedduck.com/WebPages/Documents/d188.htm , I find the subtle differences numerous, and causes me to suspect greatly that the postcard Himmler signature is bad. I only say this because sometime ago, when I was learning to write zütterling schrift, I often practiced Himmler's signature with a wide nibbed fountain pen, and acutally got pretty good at it. I looked at many examples of his signature, and they ALL had certain characteristic in common, which the postcard one doesn't. Again, though, I'm not betting the house on anything.

                        ss
                        ~ The true test of a democracy is how well it protects the rights of its least popular citizens. ~

                        ~ Never cross swords with an unworthy opponent. ~

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                          #13
                          Steve,
                          It's just as well you didn't bet the house on it! In my opinion, they are all genuine signatures, although I don't recognise the first one. From the second one down, they are Josef Goebbels, Baldur von Schirach, Wilhelm Brückner, Heinrich Himmler and Joachim v. Ribbentrop. They all have the characteristics present in an informal hurried signing of an autograph.
                          Max.

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                            #14
                            This is potentially a very nice item.

                            My suggestion would be to contact a reputable source of expertise such as the Manuscript Society and obtain a referral to a recognized expert who can examine the item to can render an opinion. A certificate would be in inestimable value when you're ready to sell.

                            Ramon

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