Post your unknown unit and or tactical emblem photos

[Aru-Ed]

I have a new Luftwaffe unit sign / wappen that i do not recognize and need help with.
It is the sign of a Chamoise also Gämse on a staff car / stabswagen or LKW.
I do not think it is of the 707. Inf. Division or the 5. Gebirgsjäger Div.
The guess the picture is taken on the eastern front, date and place are unknown.

[s.pak]

I also have in my collection several photos with this luftwaffe unit sign.
sometime with number II, 2, 8, etc...
I would be also very satisfied to know this unit.
Just a few.







Thanks for hep

[s.pak]

Here i have two more pictures from a Luftwaffe division / unit sign not known to me.
I think they belong to a Luftwaffe FLAK - Unit, and where active in the French and Russian (Smolensk) campaign and belonged to Armeegruppe Guderian as part of the 18. Panzer Division???
I think i reconize the faint sign of the 18. Panzer Division???

Disk, i dont know but Jack say IV./Flak RGT.12.
Shield is not I./Flak Abt.73. as Jack say, but I.Flak-Korps.
"G" for Panzergruppe 2
"Y" with 3 bars for 18.Pz

Unit of Flak (Disk) which depends Normally on the I.Flak-Korps (shield), connected with 18. Pz-div for "Barbarossa" which she even depends of Panzergruppe 2.

Patrick

PS: Jack Where you found for the "disk" ?

[Aru-Ed]

Thank you Patrick, for the extra info!
I hope some one can identify the Chamoise / Gämse sign for us.

[augustdieter]

Hi,


it depends on what is shown here for an animal ibex or chamois.
In both animals, it could be a Luftnachrichen unit.

Luftnachrichrichten Stellung 1. Ordnung, Deckname Steinbock
Betrieben durch 30. schw. Flugm.-Leit-Kompanie IV./LN-Rgt. 232
Eingesetztes Gerät: 1 Jagdschloß, 1 Freya mit Kennung, 1 Freya
2 Würzburg-Riese, 1 Y-Linie

Luftnachrichrichten Stellung 2. Ordnung, Deckname Gemse
Betrieben durch 4. Mittl.-Flugm.-Leit-Kompanie I./LN-Rgt. 233


It could also lead to I.Gruppe of Jagdgeschwader 51 however,
the animal looks in the wrong direction

Where do the assignment IV.Abt Flak Rgt.12 comes I would also like to know.
The Flak-Regiment 12 had no IV. Abteilung.

The photo was taken in any case in Smolensk front of a church, the
prove are the Mark IV / V WW I tanks. Period possible 1941

[Aru-Ed]

Hello and thank you for the information below!
I took an other look at the pictures of this unit that I have but i can not tell if this unit belongs to a Nachrichten einheit.
I see no other corresponding nachrichten sign on any of the cars or on the uniform the troops are wearing.

Hi,


it depends on what is shown here for an animal ibex or chamois.
In both animals, it could be a Luftnachrichen unit.

Luftnachrichrichten Stellung 1. Ordnung, Deckname Steinbock
Betrieben durch 30. schw. Flugm.-Leit-Kompanie IV./LN-Rgt. 232
Eingesetztes Gerät: 1 Jagdschloß, 1 Freya mit Kennung, 1 Freya
2 Würzburg-Riese, 1 Y-Linie

Luftnachrichrichten Stellung 2. Ordnung, Deckname Gemse
Betrieben durch 4. Mittl.-Flugm.-Leit-Kompanie I./LN-Rgt. 233


Where do the assignment IV.Abt Flak Rgt.12 comes I would also like to know.
The Flak-Regiment 12 had no IV. Abteilung.

[WWIIBuff]

Luftwaffe or Panzer?

I am surprised this thread has not been pinned to the top, it is a great reference.

The weird thing about this picture is that the motorcycle has a Luftwaffe license plate, but the saddlebag on the sidecar has the unofficial symbol for the 11. PzDiv. Does that make sense to anyone?

I am mainly hoping someone can tell me what unit the symbol on the sidecar is for?

Thanks

[JACK SELWYNE]

Hi wwii buff
i think the disc with two bars is a "rad" abt. Marking.
Regards jack

[WWIIBuff]

So we have a Luftwaffe license plate, a panzer unit emblem, and a RAD emblem all on the same vehicle. That makes no sense does it?

[Alanmccoubrey]

I have never seen the circle symbol before but I can't see it as being a RAD unit symbol. Jack are you confusing it with the circle and + sign inside it for the Krad Bn ? What is odd about this symbol though is that the official Divisional sign for 11 PD was a circle with a single downward line in it, just a bad paint job here ?

As for the WL number plate that was not unusual in a Panzer Division as it did have a FLIVO unit attached and they used the WL numbers.

[WWIIBuff]

I agree Alan, I was wondering if the similarity between this emblem and the official 11. PzDiv emblem might be intentional.

I never even thought about there being a fliegerverbindungsoffizier in the panzer division, that does make sense.

[Akira Takiguchi]

John, are you sure that it is the "ghost on the car" painted on the bag?

akira

[WWIIBuff]

Hi Akira,

Yes, it is definitely the "gespenster" logo. Here is a closeup shot of the two emblems...

[WWIIBuff]

I just realized that I have another picture in my collection with the same logo in question...

[Akira Takiguchi]

Exactly John! Gespenster-Division it is.

Regarding 11.Pz.Div. we know that leichte Flak-Abteilung 71 (Truppenkennzeichen: symbolized elk antler) was attached to it. Flivo is possible, I really would like to consult Mehner to find out what else Luftwaffe units were attached to it… Unfortunately I'm being hospitalized :-(