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    Noble Family von Seherr-Thoss : Searching for infos on the WW 2 careers of its member

    Hello !

    As stated, I am interested in the careers of members of the noble family von Seherr-Thoß (or: von Seherr-Thoss).
    (I'll use both designations interchangeably).

    If you just google the name, you get already tons of hits. Therefore, I would like to limit this topic
    to those members, that served/had some function within the Wehrmacht during WW 2.

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    So far, I think I could identify at least 5 distinct persons :

    a.1) Ernst Manfred Roger Graf von Seherr-Thoss, Major, Kommandeur Panzer Inst. Abt. 559
    position and rank confirmed for 04.43 - 12.1943, anything else on his career unclear

    a.2) Hans Christoph Graf von Seherr-Thoss, last rank unclear
    He seemed to have been involved in the development of Flak-Panzer Wirbelwind and other special tanlk constructions
    at facility: Ostbau, Sagan.

    b.1) Hilmar-Hubertus Freiherr von Seherr-Thoss ; last known rank : Oberstleutnant
    From Sept. 1939 to at least after France campaign 1940 : Kdr. Aufkl.Abt. 1 (1. Inf.Div.)

    b.2.) Adalbert Freiherr von SEHERR-THOß : last known rank : Oberstleutnant
    in Rangliste from 3.1.1939 served with : Stab Wehrkreis-Remonteschule Lyck
    No info after that date.

    b.3) Manfred Freiherr von SEHERR-THOß :
    served as Oberleutnant in Stab of Korps Feldt in Nov. 1944. Anything else unclear.

    Any additional info on the career or biography of these persons would be very welcome !
    Also any other info on other members of the family that served during WW2.

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    Some general info I noticed so far :

    Family von Seherr-Thoß (von Seherr-Thoss):

    There were 2 branches, which can be distinguished by the noble title: "Freiherr" respective "Graf" (and location ?!) :
    - von Seherr-Thoß (vor 1914 auch „S. genannt Tasse“, „S. u. T.“),
    -- Freiherren (böhmische Freiherren 1721 und 1734) und
    -- Grafen (preußische Grafen 1775, 1840)

    https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz120886.html

    What might cause some problems is the fact, that most of the members of these families had not just one forename,
    but typically 5 or 6 and often those were that of other close family members.
    In addition it is not always clear, which is the "Rufname" (firstname, the name a person is generally known by).

    Below, I will add some further info and links, that I found on those persons so far.
    Any additional info would be really appreciated !

    Thanks in advance and best regards,

    Archi
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    a) Family-branch : Graf von Seherr-Thoß :

    a.1.) Ernst Manfred Roger Graf von Seherr-Thoss, Major, Kommandeur Panzer Inst. Abt. 559
    geb._: 01.03.1897 in Steinseifersdorf/Oberschlesien
    gest.: 10.12.1979 in Miesbach/Oberbay. in der Nähe d. Schliersees.

    https://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/i...tnummer-38583/

    Below a scan from a doc signed by him as Kdr. Pz.Instandsetzungs-Abteilung 559.

    a.2.) Hans Christoph Graf von Seherr-Thoss, last rank unclear
    geb._: 13.10.1918 in Potsdam
    gest.: 17.07.2011 in Unterhaching (Bayern)

    He might show up on a photo mentioned in this thread :
    http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/photos...-559-a-296516/

    In 1944/45 he was involved in the development of Wirbelwind (and other) Flak panzers at Sagan (Firma Ostbau).
    This is conformed by various books on tanks as Jentz/Doyle, Spielberger and forum links :
    http://www.panzer-modell.de/specials...entz_doyle.htm
    https://archive.org/stream/WalterSpi...uetze_djvu.txt
    https://forum.axishistory.com/viewto...71a88#p2213381

    Bio :
    https://www.wirtschaftsarchive.de/ve..._Thoss_AuW.pdf
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      b) Family-branch : Freiherr von Seherr-Thoß :
      https://gw.geneanet.org/pmlhennings?...n+seherr+thoss

      As Hilmar-Hubertus and Adalbert both were active officers, much more info is available:
      It is interesting, that for quite some time they both served in the same regiment (Kav.Rgt. 2), but different companies (1st scan, May 1929).

      On Manfred I found almost nothing besides the 2nd scan, which lists his function (which I do not understand) within Stab Korps Feldt,
      his RDA as Oblt. (1.10.39 (258)), his birthdate (2.3.1900) and his civil profession (Regierungsrat, (an official)).

      b.1.) Freiherr Hilmar-Hubertus von Seherr-Thoss (31.10.1903 - 1984)

      Married to Ruth Sylvia Antonie von Ramin
      children : Felicitas Hanna Editha Ruth von Seherr-Thoss, Freiin
      (Kavallerist, Turnier-Reiter, Autor v. Büchern über Military-Reiten)
      https://www.zvab.com/buch-suchen/autor/seherr-thoss/
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      von SEHERR-THOß, Hilmar-Hubertus 1903 - (Kav.Reg.4)

      Promotions :
      Leutnant : 01.12.26 (50)
      Oberlt._ : 01.04.29 (34)
      Rittm.__ : 01.12.34 (33)
      Major___ : ??
      Oberstlt.: 01.08.42 (17)

      Career :
      01.05.27 : 3./RR 2 (as Leutnant)
      01.10.27 : MG-Zug/RR 2
      01.10.28 -10/32 : 2./RR 2
      ? 01.10.34 : Adjutant /Stab/RR 2
      01.01.39 : 2. Reiter-Schw./Kav.Rgt. 4 ) (Kp. Chef ?!)
      00.09.39 : Kdr. Aufkl.Abt. 1 (1. Inf.Div.)
      He should have remained Kdr. at least after the 1940 campaign in France. (see AHF link).
      What happened then ?!

      Sources :
      (Scherzer)
      http://gliederungundstellenbesetzung...earch?q=seherr
      http://gliederungundstellenbesetzung...gs-abteilung+1
      https://forum.axishistory.com/viewto...90075#p1390075
      https://forum.axishistory.com/viewto...eherr&start=15


      b.2.) Freiherr Adalbert von SEHERR-THOß, (Stab Wehrkreis-Remonteschule Lyck)

      Promotions :
      Leutnant : 01.03.17 (1)
      Oberlt._ : 01.04.25 (506)
      Rittm.__ :
      Major (E): 01.09.37
      Oberstlt.: 01.07.41 (66)

      Career :
      15.10.21 : 4./RR 2
      15.07.22 : 1./RR 2
      01.04.23 : Stab/RR 2
      01.10.24 : Ordonnanzoffizier Stab/RR 2
      01.10.26 : 5./RR 2
      01.10.27 : 2./RR 2
      01.05.28 : 2./RR 2
      01.10.28 - 10/32 : 4./RR 2

      01.01.39 : Stab Wehrkreis-Remonteschule Lyck
      .
      .
      ??

      sources : only various Ranglisten

      b.3) Freiherr Manfred von SEHERR-THOß (02.03.1900 - ?? ) :
      served as Oblt. with Stab Corps Feldt (Stellenbesetzung Nov. 1944, 2nd scan)


      that's all what I could find so far ...

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