Warning: session_start(): open(/var/cpanel/php/sessions/ea-php74/sess_cda12af6a90b13cb47fbd22d2501922374a95339342792af, O_RDWR) failed: No space left on device (28) in /home/devwehrmacht/public_html/forums/includes/vb5/frontend/controller/page.php on line 71 Warning: session_start(): Failed to read session data: files (path: /var/cpanel/php/sessions/ea-php74) in /home/devwehrmacht/public_html/forums/includes/vb5/frontend/controller/page.php on line 71 Request Assistance Arnhem Please - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums
CollectorToCollector

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Request Assistance Arnhem Please

Collapse
X
Collapse
 
  • Page of 1
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
Previous template Next
    #1

    Request Assistance Arnhem Please

    Hi. I have been reading about the battle of Arnhem lately. Specifically about the battle of Lombok on the afternoon of 19 Sep 44. That afternoon after the the Museum fell (1200) and before 1530 (the general retreat to Oosterbeek) the Germans launched a series of attacks across the railroad bridge on Oranjestraat and West-East down Zuidelijke Parallel Weg, Alexanderstraat and Nassaustraat noted on the red arrows below. I have all of the books (Kershaw, Concord, Middlebrook) and first person accounts (British and German), but I cannot find a clear reference that lists the specific German units that launched these attacks through the Lombok area and pushed the British out of West Arnhem. There are some reference to to units of the 9SS but nothing specific. Stug Brigade 280 operated south on the Utrechtseweg and from my understanding did not fight on the maze of streets in Lombok.

    This is my question: Does anyone have a list of the German units that fought in Lombok on the afternoon of 19 Sep44? Thank you!!!
    Attached Files
    Tags: None
    #2
    Here is a more modern picture of the area.
    Attached Files

    Comment

      #3
      Unfortunately there is no specific list of units that fought in the Lombok area on the 19th September. I have been studying this battle for over 20 years focusing on the German side and there is not a day that goes past where I wish there were some lists of units that participated in a particular area of the battle that I could refer to.

      What I can confirm for you in the SS-Pi. Btl 9 was definitely in this area on the 19th. The Pioneer Btl had been reinforced by the 2./SS-Pz.Gren. A.u.E Btl. 16 the previous day so you can add this unit as well. The composition of the remnants of the 9. SS-Panzer Division that fought in Arnhem changed so many times during the battle that it is hard to know who was where and when. The remnants of the two Pz. Gren Regts were also part of Kampfgruppe Spindler (defensive line that ran from the Nederrijn to Dreijenseweg) but where they were exactly on the 19th is a little difficult to work out.

      Also in the Lombok area were Luftwaffe troops acting as infantry. There are plenty of photos showing them escorting prisoners further to the rear.

      I am sorry it is not exactly what you are looking for but does give you an insight.

      cheers

      Scott

      Comment

        #4
        Thank you for your reponse and insight. I also enjoy your website.

        I have been re-reading some of my accounts and did find it in the 11th Battalion history the 9th SS Pioneer Battalion and some units of the 9th SS Artillery Regiment participated in the attack south over the Oranjestraat Bridge. I did not know about the presence of the 2./SS-Pz.Gren. A.u.E Btl. 16 so thank you.

        Comment

          #5
          Yes I have read the 11th Battalion book by Gerrit Pijpers and David Truesdale (great book by the way) and although they have the source of SS-Art Regt 9 members crossing the Orangestraat bridge as Cabinet Papers, I still do not think they were involved. My gut feeling, not back up by any hard evidence whatsoever, is that SS-Art Regt 9 members were further north along the Dreijenseweg and that more likley it was other part of the Hohenstaufen Division. I always thought the 'tanks' that crossed here were most likely from SS-Pz Jg Abt 9 as SP guns. But again I don't have any evidence to prove this.

          Cheers

          Scott

          Comment

            #6
            I have always studied the battle from the British perspective and did pay much attention to the German side. I wrote an article for WW2 Magazine several years ago on the 2nd Battalion South Staffordshire Regiment in the Museum battle. I want to write a companion for 11th Battalion in the Lombok. The British first person accounts foe the battalion do not correlate well across the spectrum published and unpublished sources. I thought I woud reseach it from the German side to see if that would help.

            I always had questions about the 19 Sep 44 Lombok battle. First I always wondered which German unit pinned General Urquhart in the Zwarteweg house, because this unit was on the left flank of the South Staffs Battles when they went up the road. I think there was German infantry there but no armor. I don't think there was any tanks or self-propelled artillery in that area that early in the morning. These units probably withdrew up and across the Oranjestraat bridge as the British attacks developed. Any armored units that were in the Lombok early in the morning were likely there all day. The British did not have enough men to clear and hold the entire area. I have the same questions about the SS units on Den Brink.

            I read about the 9th SS Pioneer Battalion on your website and they went into battle with three understrength companies. Kershaw has Moeller's engineers fighting the South Staffs in the Museum area and I believe the pioneers were spread thin and would have been a real challenge to fight on both sides of the railroad on the same day. All of the pictures that show the infantry supporting Sturm Brigade 280 show them as a likely SS erzatz unit and not the SS Pioneers. This erzatz unit is not named either.

            Below is picture of the area taken 12 Sep 1944 and I noted the two bridges that cross the railroad marshalling yard. Both of these bridges are pretty light and most likely cannot support a medium tank or STUG. These two bridges are the only north-south cross-overs in that area. I was curious if the Germans shifted troops from the Museum area to the Lombok area after the Museum fell at around 1200, and these troops attacked the 11th Battalion at 1430 frpm the north.
            I am not really expecting answers but these are things I have been curious about for almost 20 years as well.
            Attached Files
            Last edited by brooksbz; 08-08-2015, 08:25 AM.

            Comment

            Previous template Next

            Users Viewing this Thread

            Collapse

            There are currently 2 users online. 0 members and 2 guests.

            Most users ever online was 10,032 at 08:13 PM on 09-28-2024.

            Working...
            X