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    Reinhard Gehlen question

    Hello all…((I hope this is in the right forum section))...I am starting a thread and to ask for any assistance or any thoughts from the forum members. A few years ago I bought two books and another folder that contains around 80 maps, all the items came together. I have conducted some limited research to date, not enough since I am working with my STASI collection. So here is what I think I found out so far…the below documents and maps were produced by General Reinhard Gehlen (German officer) and his crew while they were at Fort Hunt, Virginia after the war, around the 1945 and 1946 timeframe. Then I believe the books and maps were presented by General Gehlen to General Sibert (USA officer) during I believe their one and only face to face meeting August 08, 1946. I believe that they only met once for a face to face meeting from a book I read called “Partners at the Creation”, by James H. Critchfield.

    Background information: Fremde Heere Ost (FHO) was an Intelligence gathering unit directly under the command of the Army High Command during World War II. German officers Reinhard Gehlen and Erich Wessel were experts on anything in the Eastern Front during the war. After the war the US took Gehlen to the United States and in 1946 was taken back to Germany along with his staff which was later became known as the West German BND (Bundesnachrichtendienst).

    Image one (part one): is about… Part A Summary referring to the assessing of the enemy situation at the German Eastern Front area compiled/issued by the "Abteilung Fremde Heere Ost" in the time from April 1942 to December 1944.

    Image two: is about…Attachments/Annexes referring to the assessing of the enemy situation at the German Eastern Front area compiled/issued by the "Abteilung Fremde Heere Ost" in the time from April 1942 to December 1944.

    Image three: is about…Maps assembled to the summary referring to assessing of the enemy situation at the German Eastern Front compiled/issued by the "Abteilung Fremde Heere Ost" in the time from April 1942 to December 1944.

    Image four: Is the only item that dates the overall material timeframe and is also the only part that has any hand written notes. The translation of the comment reads…In commemoration of the work/operation within the European area/theater dedicated to
    Herrn General Sibert
    who already recognized the later development at an early stage. He paved our way for the continuing of the work on our mutual target. 30-08-1946. At this time I do not know who wrote the information on the paper.

    Image five and six: Are of two of the eighty maps that are with this collection. Image five is of map one and image six is of map 49.

    Image seven: is a sample of one of the pages from the collection. Part translation of the image is 15 Motorized Rifle Divisions, many Armored/Tanks- and other motorized Units from the areas SARATOW, PANSE, KUIBYSCHEW and ULJANOWSK advancing to the Front areas of ISJUM, KURAK, WJASMA and SUCHINITSHI. The Divisions are mainly consisting of new drafted soldiers…

    Other information of interest deals about the documents that has the acronym gKdos which means; Geheime Kommandosache…and translated, is known as Secret Operational Affair/Planning. Also of interest is that the three book documents each say Pruf-Nr. 1. Which, I think means that this collection could potentially be copy one of one, but at this time, but I can not prove that it is the only copy known.

    I hope someone on the forum can assist me with some information, direction or what they think I have so I can narrow down what I may or may not have. Thanks…and sorry for being a little long winded.
    Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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    Part one...

    Part one...
    Attached Files
    Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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      #3
      Part two...

      Part two...
      Attached Files
      Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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        #4
        Part three...

        Part three...
        Attached Files
        Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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          #5
          Part four...

          Part four...
          Attached Files
          Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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            #6
            Part five...

            Part five...
            Attached Files
            Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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              #7
              Part six...

              Part six...
              Attached Files
              Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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                #8
                Final part...

                Final part (part seven)...
                Attached Files
                Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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                  #9
                  Further information about Gehlen thread...

                  Hello all...after reading my thread again, I thought better to add more information in hopes that someone in the forum maybe able to assist me or know of a person or professional organization that I can talk to about this collection.

                  During World War II, General Gehlen was in charge of the Fremde Heere Ost (FHO) and was responsible for preparing intelligence estimates on the Soviet Union to Hitler and his staff. Near the end of the war he and other members decided that Germany was lost and began to secretly cache documents in Southern Germany and made the decision that when the war ended that he and other members along with the cached material would surrender only to the Americans. The American General that discovered who they had was USA General Sibert. Gehlen and his crew were important to the United States from the stand point that the US did not have a very strong background about the Soviets and that Gehlen still may have had HUMAN INTELLIGENCE (HUMINT) SOURCES alive in the Soviet territory. Gehlen and crew and the cached bundles were sent to the United States and they spent about a year in the Washington DC area and Fort Hunt, Virginia (located in Northern Virginia) providing information about anything everything on the Soviets. Around the summer of 1946 the crew in the United States was sent back to Germany to begin the foundation of a new German intelligence organization which became known as the West German BND (Bundesnachrichtendienst).

                  I believe one the items put together from Reinhard Gehlen days in the United States are the documents and maps in this thread. Thanks ahead for any assistance...
                  Last edited by R Pickard; 10-26-2004, 04:45 PM.
                  Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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                    #10
                    Hello all - I am bringing this thread back to life. I am looking to find out if any forum members have any Gehlen items or writings in their collections that can assist with what I have in my collection. Or know of any persons in the academic field of the Gehlen organization I can get in touch with.

                    Thanks in advance...
                    Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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                      #11
                      Ralph,

                      Sorry but I have no addtional information concerning General Gehlen but this thread was an interesting read .

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                        #12
                        Hi Ralph,
                        Great thread; I'm glad you resurrected it, as it predates my membership on the forum. I'm not sure how much the following will help, but here goes:

                        --a great reference (that you might already be aware of) is Gehlen's memoirs, that might shed more light on your material. It's called 'The Service' and is available on Amazon for pennies (literally). I have a copy myself and it's a good read--it's also a long one, and because of that, I haven't finished it, but think you'll find it helpful, as I know there are lengthy discussions of the hoarded material Gehlen brought back.

                        --secondly, in the hardcover version I have, there are photos of similar, attributable, OB disposition maps that look very similar to yours, so I don't doubt that you might now have a few of those in your possession (maybe another reason to go for a copy).

                        --lastly, in my DC days (which aren't that far in the past), I was lucky enough to handle some of the actual Gehlen documents still in the government's possession after all these years, and can say that they most certainly resemble yours, at least in terms of the charts and maps. After 50+ years, there's not many of them left in official hands, but we still had a few loose items on hand (don't ask me why), though this is the first time I've seen a publication [booklet] from FHO, so I admittedly can't comment on those.

                        Although I'm not able to impart any firsthand knowledge on the background of Gehlen's group with the US (since that was way before my time), I still occasionally referred to his order of battle from time to time on the Red Army that was compiled towards the end of the war...even after 50 years, it was still of some use in government circles--a testament to the quality of his and FHO's work in the East.

                        Any other material that wasn't in our files (ie, most of it!) would have been declassified years and years ago, and probably turned over to the National Archives. I'm not absolutely sure, but a good place to turn up some of that stuff might be at the National Security Archives (a private firm) located at my alma mater, GWU in downtown DC. They might be able to get you quickly married up with any other material that's out there.

                        Good luck,

                        Gaffken

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                          #13
                          Gaffken - Very good points all around in your post and thanks for your data of useful information.

                          I am aware of the book "The Service", but I have not got around to buying it yet and was not aware that it had maps in the book. Thanks for the heads up which has sparked my interest which this project has been somewhat sitting on the back burner. It will be for sure interesting to see what maps are depicted in the book and hope they match one of the 80 maps in my collection.

                          It would be nice to sit down with you and talk more about Gehlen and his early days and what you remember seeing. I am currently out of town, but when I get home I have a two volume books about some of the things Gehlen and his crew put together during their stay in the United States.

                          There is another interesting book named "Partners at the Creation" written by James Crithfield which talks about the early days. Also in the book it mentions possibly one of the only meeting between Gehlen and Sibert which falls into the same time period of post 5.

                          Again thanks for coming up on line and providing your thoughts and comments...
                          Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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