LW Kampfgruppe L/53 or could also be I./53
informations on This unit will be apricated
Regards. Jacob
informations on This unit will be apricated
Regards. Jacob
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I 'think' I see....
Kampfgruppe I./53.
Regards Richard.Always looking for Luftwaffe Kampfflieger related document groups. In particular anything to Kampfgeschwader 2.Comment
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Thanks..
anyone with any informations?
Regards. JacobComment
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anyone with any informationsComment
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Hello,
looks like something from I./KG 53.
Regards,
SvenComment
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I don't see the letter " G "
GerdanComment
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I believe it is I./53 also.
There is a Kampfgruppe 53 of 2nd Fleigerkorps, part of Luftlotte 2. It has III "gruppes"
see first page of this Luftlotten PDF file, for 1940:
http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/CGSC/CAR...er/940GILA.pdf
And here is another PDF file with more info on Kampfgruppe 53 here:
http://www.cgsc.edu/CARL/nafziger/940GHAB.pdf
It seems that Kampfgruppe 53, I. gruppe flew He111'sLast edited by 12thPanzer; 08-20-2013, 10:33 PM.Comment
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Hi Jacob
If this is a Luftwaffe designation Kampfgruppe I./53 would be the first Gruppe (wing) of Kamfgeschwader (Group) 53. Each Gruppe consisted of three Staffeln (squadrons) and in I. Gruppe this would be 1., 2. and 3. Staffel.
Kampfgruppe identifies a bomber wing.
If you Google Kampfgeschwader 53 you will find plenty of information to get you started.Comment
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Hi Tim,
Interesting. So this abbreviation would represent the 1st gruppe of Kampfgeschwader 53's Bomber Wing... if I understand you correctly. Is this uncommon for a Luftwaffe unit designation to be written/marked like this?
So, the unit info I found for Kampfgruppe 53 for luftlotte 2, was a whole different bomb wing. Now how would that be written out if each had similar naming?
I have no horse in this race, but I am just interested in what you've shared and trying to understand this. Thank you for any clarification! And I apologize if I am further confusing things.Comment
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Hi
The designation on the documents you show should be Geschwader rather than Gruppe. This is an error. If you look, the lists show I. II. and III. Gruppe as part of a parent Gruppe. This is simply incorrect.
In official Luftwaffe designations arabic numerals (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc) were applied to a Staffel (squadron), while Roman numerals (I, II, III, IV, etc) were applied to a Gruppe.
I./KG53 would be the normal official designation for I. ('erste Gruppe' or first wing) of Kampfgeschwader 53. KampfgruppeI./53 in the photo that started this post would not be the classic way of abbreviating a Luftwaffe unit but if the stamp was created by a quartermaster to distinguish property of the I. Gruppe I guess it is a possibility.
I attach some documents from my collection to illustrate:
2./K.G. 28 is 2nd Staffel (2nd squadron Bomber Group 28 - part of the II. Gruppe KG 28)
II./K.G. 53 is 2nd Gruppe of Kampfgeschwader 53, as shown in full on the third example.
I hope this helps.Comment
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and the thirdComment
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Awesome Tim! Thanks a lot for the explanation.....it does certainly clear up some questions that I have had for a while now. I'm glad you spotted the error on the file I posted, as it was confusing me. BTW excellent documents too, thanks for taking the time to share them.
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Glad to help but I am only proposing a theory that the belt marking is a quartermaster stamp - it may be wrong!Originally posted by 12thPanzer View PostAwesome Tim! Thanks a lot for the explanation.....it does certainly clear up some questions that I have had for a while now. I'm glad you spotted the error on the file I posted, as it was confusing me. BTW excellent documents too, thanks for taking the time to share them.Last edited by Tim O.; 09-15-2013, 04:45 PM.Comment
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