Luftwaffe Honor Goblet recipients

[Tim O.]

Hello,

the awarding date is 6.10.42 and I own the EP.

Maybe someone knows the unit of Heinrich Matz?
This information would be fantastic!

Best regards,


Trooper_13

He is not listed by Scherzer for the DKiG or by Fellgiebel for the RK, both of which would have given the unit. A quick look on the Web (which I assume you have done too) did not provide any hits either unfortunately. The easy routes seem to be dead ends sadly.

[Trooper_13]

He is not listed by Scherzer for the DKiG or by Fellgiebel for the RK, both of which would have given the unit. A quick look on the Web (which I assume you have done too) did not provide any hits either unfortunately. The easy routes seem to be dead ends sadly.

Hello Tim,

thanks a lot for your help.

It's really difficult to get further information.

Sad but true...


Trooper_13

[Erickn]

Thanks for helping.
Unfortunately this is not the awarding date of his Ehrenpokal, but the publicationdate in the Ehrenliste. The list is specifically about the actual awarding dates that can be found on the Ehrenpokal or the Awarding Document.

I do not own his Ehrenpokal or Document. Information was furnished to me by Horst Hermann personally.

[Bagel]

Hajo Herrmann

Wow, RK+OL+S... "one of the Luftwaffe's most innovative air tacticians during World War II" and "one of the highest-ranked surviving German Luftwaffe officers". He must have been an interesting guy to talk to.

Whoops, sorry, I got Horst mixed up with Hans-Joachim "Hajo"... although I bet Horst is really interesting, too.

[Rich G]

For Otto Stadel, the unit was KG55; function was air gunner.

[drlemans]

Ofw.Ewald Stratmann Bordschütze 1.(F)123 EP+U 18.10.1942

Mj. Werner Hoffmann Flugzeugführer I.NJG5 U + Wehrpass 26.12.1943

Fw. Kurt Baten Flugzeugführer 1.JG52 + 9.JG1 Wehrpass 31.3.1944

??? Ofw.Johannes Pötzsche Flugzeugführer 6.+5.SG77 Wehrpass - without date (302 combat missions) ???

[Wilco Vermeer]

Mj. Werner Hoffmann Flugzeugführer I.NJG5 U + Wehrpass 26.12.1943

Fw. Kurt Baten Flugzeugführer 1.JG52 + 9.JG1 Wehrpass 31.3.1944

Can you recheck these? The data seem to be somewhat of date in relation to the mentioning in the Ehrenliste.

[Bagel]

Pötzsche, Johannes

I found info on Oberfeldwebel Pötzsche, but no evidence of an EP:

unit
einheit_1 Flieger Ausbildungs Rgt. 51 Weimar-Nohra / Heiligenbeil
einheit_2 Jagdflieger-Vorschule 3 Wien-Schwechat
einheit_3 Jagdschule 4 Fürth
einheit_4 Fluglehrer Lehrgang bei Paris
einheit_5 I. Ergänzungs-Schlachtflieger-Gruppe Sept. 1943 Fluglehrer Reims
einheit_6 I./ SG1
einheit_7 II./ SG 77 08. Mai 1945 Ostfront

befoerderung_8_zum promotion to Feldwebel
befoerderung_9_zum promotion to Oberfeldwebel

[gcutter]

Dear all I´m searching the honor goblet of my great grandfather Willi Pick, maybe someone has some informatons for me, it was not stolen, but I thin kit is a nice piece of history of my family, so if anyone could help me, I also know the prices of these goblets

[Bagel]

Willi Pick is already on the list:

Pick, Willi Feldwebel 20-05-1942 (EP) 25-05-1942 (P/EL)

However, I took a look online anyway and was surprised to find he also was awarded the DKiG on 15-10-1942 as part of 6. / Kampfgeschwader 54.

http://en.ww2awards.com/person/25578

Anyone have anything else?

[drlemans]

Can you recheck these? The data seem to be somewhat of date in relation to the mentioning in the Ehrenliste.

I confirm those Dates from the original documents of Mj.Hoffmann and Fw.Baten.

While Ofw.Pötzsches Wehrpass EP Registration is without date i have my doubts too. But what happened in the last weeks of WWII - we do not know.

[Wilco Vermeer]

Perfect, thanks

I confirm those Dates from the original documents of Mj.Hoffmann and Fw.Baten.

While Ofw.Pötzsches Wehrpass EP Registration is without date i have my doubts too. But what happened in the last weeks of WWII - we do not know.

[monty]

Willibald Zipfel

Here is a photo of the Goblet and document of Bordfunker Willibald Zipfel, sold by Thies Auctions around 10 years ago.

The actual document is dated 21/12/1942 - it is listed as 14/01/1943 in the Scheibert book.

If any member of this forum currently owns these two items I would dearly love to contact them. I am researching Zipfel at present and would love to find which Panzer unit he ended up in if anyone can help? Thanks guys!

[Wilco Vermeer]

Perfect Monty, thanks for the info
What I have on Willibald Zipfel aside from his Ehrenpokal is

Zipfel, Willibald (08-07-1919 - 02-02-1964), Unteroffizier, Bordfunker, Sturzkampfgeschwader 2, 21-12-1942 (Ep/U), 14-01-1943 (P/El)
DKiG:12-01-1943, Unteroffizier I. / Sturzkampfgeschwader 2
RK: 06-12-1944, Feldwebel 3. / Schlachtgeschwader 2

Luftwaffe Officer Career Summaries:

ZIPFEL

, Willibald. (DOB: 07.10.19 in Herne). (R, DKG). 04.01.43 Uffz., awarded the Ehrenpokal.

12.01.43 Uffz. and Bordfunker, awarded DKG, I./St.G. 2. 06.12.44 Fw., awarded Ritterkreuz, 3./SG 2.

†02.02.64 in Gelsenkirchen.

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[monty]

Zipfel/Meyering

Thanks Wilco for the info. I do have a reasonable amount of info on Willibald Zipfel already but the photo of him wearing his RK shows him with Panzer collar tabs. I believe he transfered to a Panzer unit around June 1944 but do not know which unit.

Of further interest to this thread here are copy photos of the document and Goblet of Zipfel's pilot Heinrich Meyering who was awarded the Goblet on 23/10/1942. The Scheibert book has the date at 02/11/1942.

I have copies of Meyering's flight books which show they were heavily involved at Stalingrad at this time.