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    Commander of Pz. Rgt.21

    Hi,
    Please help me! I wound like to know that person who was the commander of Panzer Regiment 21 in January in 1943. I know that he belonged to 20.Panzer Division. Unfortunately I have found the name of the regiment commander nowhere on the Net. I am waiting for your answer.
    Thanks,
    George
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    Hi

    I believe 21 Panzer Regiment, some time in 1942 was Redesignated along with other units into 21 Panzer Battalion. Maybe that's why you have Drawn a blank with your Research so far?

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      #3
      26.4.1943 the Regiment was disbanded. The Stab formed Stab/Panzer Brigade Stab 21 on 25.6.1943. The Stab of III. Abteilung formed a Company of Panzer Abteilung 21.

      I have an Oberst Badura as Kommandeur of Pz.Rgt. 21 from 25.10.1942. Unfortunately I can not find anything else on him!

      /Ian
      Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

      Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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        #4
        Originally posted by justintime View Post
        Hi

        I believe 21 Panzer Regiment, some time in 1942 was Redesignated along with other units into 21 Panzer Battalion. Maybe that's why you have Drawn a blank with your Research so far?

        No, it was 1943. And it was reformed into a Panzer-Abteilung, not Bataillon.


        Lexicon.de has only one name, a Oberstleutnant Schmidt, listed as the Regimental Commander, and Hauptmann Wolfgang Darius as Abteilung commander of Panzer-Abteilung 21 in 1943.


        http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...enter/PR21.htm

        http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/PanzerAbt/PanzerAbt21-R.htm


        Hope this helps.....
        Rob


        EDIT: That second link isn't working correctly, but if you click on the hyperlink "Panzer-Abteilung 21" it will take you to the second page I was trying to post, which contains info on Panzer-Abteilung 21.
        Last edited by Ian Jewison; 08-04-2009, 03:08 AM. Reason: Link address changed

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          #5
          Originally posted by Rob Johnson View Post
          Lexicon.de has only one name, a Oberstleutnant Schmidt, listed as the Regimental Commander, and Hauptmann Wolfgang Darius as Abteilung commander of Panzer-Abteilung 21 in 1943.
          According to Die Dienststellen, Kommandobehörden und Truppenteile des Heeres Oberstleutnant Martin Schmidt DKiG relinquished Command to Oberstleutnant von Hake RKT (?) on 19.9.1942.

          /Ian
          Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

          Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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            Originally posted by Ian Jewison View Post
            According to Die Dienststellen, Kommandobehörden und Truppenteile des Heeres Oberstleutnant Martin Schmidt DKiG relinquished Command to Oberstleutnant von Hake RKT (?) on 19.9.1942.

            /Ian

            Thanks for that info, Ian. It's amazing the lexicon page has that much info (I wish all their pages on Panzer unit histories contained this much information at regimental and abteilung levels!) yet they do not have the info on von Hake!



            Rob

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              #7
              I Tip my Hat to you Chaps, That's impressive homework.....Ive gained some information about this unit. Which i failed to pick up on when looking at this units History.

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                Originally posted by Ian Jewison View Post
                According to Die Dienststellen, Kommandobehörden und Truppenteile des Heeres Oberstleutnant Martin Schmidt DKiG relinquished Command to Oberstleutnant von Hake RKT (?) on 19.9.1942.

                /Ian
                Ian, what means the "mFb" near the name of Obstlt. von Hake on the book? I don't understand...

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                - THE WEHRPAß & SOLDBUCH OF THE WH
                - THE SS TK RING
                - THE ITALIAN-GERMAN MEDAL
                - THE ANTI PARTISAN BADGE
                - THE AWARDS OF THE LW

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                  #9
                  Hi,
                  Thank you very much for that amazing information.
                  Ian, your guess is great. Do you know anything about Budar ?

                  George

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by antony.s View Post
                    Ian, what means the "mFb" near the name of Obstlt. von Hake on the book? I don't understand...
                    mit der Führung beauftragt which means he was temporarily in command.
                    Originally posted by George Lengyel View Post
                    Ian, your guess is great. Do you know anything about Budar ?

                    George
                    Badura, no, as mentioned I can not anything else on him.....at the moment at least.

                    One thing I have just found, as a Major he was Kdr. of Panzerabwehr Abteilung 36 which was part of 36 Infanterie Division, this was prewar however.

                    /Ian
                    Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                    Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                      Originally posted by Ian Jewison View Post
                      mit der Führung beauftragt which means he was temporarily in command.

                      Badura, no, as mentioned I can not anything else on him.....at the moment at least.

                      One thing I have just found, as a Major he was Kdr. of Panzerabwehr Abteilung 36 which was part of 36 Infanterie Division, this was prewar however.

                      /Ian
                      Many thanks Ian!

                      I look the Rangliste of 1944 but i don't see this name...

                      My books:

                      - THE WEHRPAß & SOLDBUCH OF THE WH
                      - THE SS TK RING
                      - THE ITALIAN-GERMAN MEDAL
                      - THE ANTI PARTISAN BADGE
                      - THE AWARDS OF THE LW

                      and more!

                      sigpic

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by antony.s View Post
                        Many thanks Ian!

                        I look the Rangliste of 1944 but i don't see this name...
                        No I already checked that...also went through Badura's on the German War Graves site of which there were 112 if I remember correctly and not really matched.
                        Only one as mentioned was the prewar list from 1939!

                        /Ian
                        Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                        Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                          #13
                          It appears that in January 1943, Major Kahl (Eichenlaubträger) was in command of 21er. He was succeeded in February by Hptm. Merx ("kein Panzermann" says the Regimentsgeschichte S.133).

                          As of August 1942, Hptm. Kahl lead the Abteilung (S.112).

                          Source: Das Panzer Regiment 21 im Ostfeldzug Oberst a.D. W. Straub

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                            #14
                            Hi,
                            The starting point was that I have an award document of PAB in silver. It is for Obergefreiter Josef Jodl who served in 2/Panzer-Regiment 21 . The time of the donation was 14.01.1943. It was signed by an Oberst u. Rgts.Kdr.
                            This person may be Badur by Ian's information. Is it sure?
                            I had no idea that the identification of a commander of a Panzer Regiment was so difficult.
                            I am waiting for any kind of help of everybady.
                            Thanks,
                            George

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                              #15
                              George,

                              Can you post an image of this citation?

                              /Ian
                              Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                              Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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